Nice! I really like the tone I heard in the ABM-EVO demos. Glad it's working out for you.
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Aha, makes sense, thanks. Sounds like three 10s isn't the way I want to go here, cheers for the info.
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Generation 3 refers to the introduction of Barefaced 12XN and then 10CR drivers in 2013/2014. Every Barefaced bass cab since then is Gen 3.
Gen 1 was the Barefaced Big One and other cabs of that era (Kappalite 15" models).
Gen 2 was the Barefaced Big Baby and Big Twin and other cabs of that era (mostly Kappalite 12" models).
It's quite confusing because the BB2 and BT2 were both Gen 3 cabs. However the new BB3 and BT3 are also Gen 3 so that's less confusing, I hope...
Gen 1 was the Barefaced Big One and other cabs of that era (Kappalite 15" models).
Gen 2 was the Barefaced Big Baby and Big Twin and other cabs of that era (mostly Kappalite 12" models).
It's quite confusing because the BB2 and BT2 were both Gen 3 cabs. However the new BB3 and BT3 are also Gen 3 so that's less confusing, I hope...
Well, it's certainly not as confusing as some Musicman names!
*I say that as someone who's as big a fan of Musicman basses as I am of Barefaced cabinets.
Well, it's certainly not as confusing as some Musicman names!
*I say that as someone who's as big a fan of Musicman basses as I am of Barefaced cabinets.
No no no. The difference between a Musicman Sterling and a Sterling by Musicman is just as clear as the difference between a Big Baby 2 and a 2.Gen Big Baby.
Tweeter question for the group: I have two BB3's, and each of them has a tweeter. When stacking them, is it best to set both tweeter knobs at the same levels? Or, is it best to turn one of them all the way "OFF," to avoid some kind of phase interference between the two?
I suppose the same question could apply to any set of cabs that have tweeters. Thanks!
I suppose the same question could apply to any set of cabs that have tweeters. Thanks!
Same here! I have 2 BB3s, and I have also been wondering this. A BT3 is kind of like 2 stacked BB3s, and it only has one tweeter, but I'm not sure if there is a "problem" with 2 tweeters or if it's just "more highs". I've tried on vs. off with the bottom BB3, but my room is a bit small and probably doesn't accurately reflect the phasing that would occur on a stage.
Anyone have feedback about this?
I would run both with the same setting as it isn't an attenuator- it changes the xover point.
Good question. I'm not sure that it does, but note that Barefaced set up their Two10S so that the highs only come out of one of the drivers, whereas both of them produce lows. From their website:
Barefaced line array
Both drivers in the Two10 work in unison to produce big bass and punchy mids but to improve dispersion only one has treble output - just like a PA line array.
It might seem counter-intuitive but the dispersion of a wave source is inversely proportion to the size of the source vs the wavelength - so side by side 10" drivers can have good dispersion through the lows and lower mids but once you get into the higher mids and treble the lateral dispersion narrows drastically. By only letting higher mids and treble come from one speakers we get much better dispersion through those frequencies so you have more consistent tone around the stage and venue. Not something you'll notice in a shop but something that can feel life changing on noisy gigs.
Since the Big Twin 3 has 2 12" speakers but only 1 high-frequency driver/tweeter, I always assumed Barefaced designed it this way for the same reason as the Two10S: i.e. It's fine for lows to be produced by adjacent speakers, but for highs, the dispersion is better if it only comes from one point.
I'm not an expert on this myself though, so I'm really not sure!
Barefaced line array
Both drivers in the Two10 work in unison to produce big bass and punchy mids but to improve dispersion only one has treble output - just like a PA line array.
It might seem counter-intuitive but the dispersion of a wave source is inversely proportion to the size of the source vs the wavelength - so side by side 10" drivers can have good dispersion through the lows and lower mids but once you get into the higher mids and treble the lateral dispersion narrows drastically. By only letting higher mids and treble come from one speakers we get much better dispersion through those frequencies so you have more consistent tone around the stage and venue. Not something you'll notice in a shop but something that can feel life changing on noisy gigs.
Since the Big Twin 3 has 2 12" speakers but only 1 high-frequency driver/tweeter, I always assumed Barefaced designed it this way for the same reason as the Two10S: i.e. It's fine for lows to be produced by adjacent speakers, but for highs, the dispersion is better if it only comes from one point.
I'm not an expert on this myself though, so I'm really not sure!
It's been possible for a while, before by special request, now it's on the product page in a drop down menu.
Funny, I actually own a Two10ST, but I've never thought to check whether it still included the "line array crossover" and the tweeter. Good question.
I checked it last night. I turned the tweeter completely off (or rather, turned the crossover so that minimal sound was going to the tweeter), and listened to each of the 10" drivers. That way all of the highs would be directed to the 10" drivers, not the tweeter.
Conclusion: The "line array crossover" is definitely there, even in the Two10ST. One of the 10s produces full range, whereas the other is lows only. It was pretty easy to hear the difference.
So yes, Barefaced still includes the line array crossover feature in the Two10S, even when you add a tweeter (Two10ST).
At first it seemed like this might mean that the highs are coming from multiple sources, which would defeat the purpose of the line array idea. But I assume that the tweeter crossover control still means that any given frequency in the high range is only routed to one driver. Like this:
- Lows: Produced by both 10" drivers.
- Highs below the crossover knob setpoint: Produced by one of the 10" drivers only.
- Highs above the crossover knob setpoint: Produced by the tweeter only.
Maybe Alex Claber can correct me if I'm wrong.
I interpreted that Alvin2022 is asking if this can be done to an existing Two10S, by the customer. I have no idea - that would be interesting to know. I'd recommend asking Barefaced directly. If you find out, let us know! I might give that a shot...
It's an intriguing idea but I wouldn't think Barefaced would want to sell DIY retrofit kits and risk having cabinets ruined from improper installation.
I believe that's not a service provided or encouraged by Barefaced.
I owned 2 Two10's and don't really know why anyone would want a tweeter. They snap and pop pretty well as they are.
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