I have found that One10 and Two10 is a perfect combination for me. One10 for home noodling and small gigs, Two10 for medium gigs and both cabs for loud gigs.
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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
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When you use the the Two10 and the One10 together, do you make a vertical tower like a modular Three10?
I always put One10 on top of the Two10.
I keep the resonator outlets oriented the same way-so its either (1) both cabs with resonators on the bottom (usually) or (2) both cabs with resonators on the side.
I do the (2) only if the stage is not stable so it would be risky to build high vertical "tower"...and there is enough space on the stage to do that.
alexclaber
Commercial User
Thanks for chiming in, Alex!FYI, you don't need to do that, just do whatever works for you!
In one of your videos, you said that by rotating the Two10 cab, one changes the tuning frequency.
My understanding is that when using multiple cabinets, it's better/safer to have all cabinets with the same tuning frequency.
Is my understanding incorrect?
Thank you.
I am working on the assumption that both the One10 and Two10 cabs have the same tuning frequency when placed the same way (horizontally for example). May be the assumption is wrong...?
alexclaber
Commercial User
They're not conventional ported cabs and their tuning frequencies (they both have two) and Q are different but it doesn't matter because the phase shifts are less than with a ported cab. Nothing to worry about, just do what works for you (both sonically and visually).
Is anybody using BF cab on a speaker stand?
If so, which cab? What has been your experience?
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If so, which cab? What has been your experience?
TopHat
Add a top-hat (PA speaker 35mm diameter pole-mount*) to your cabinet. Allows the cabinet to be raised off the floor and placed on a stand. Only available on One10, Super Mini (T), Super Compact (T) and Big Baby 3. *SPEAKER STAND NOT INCLUDED
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I didn't know it was compatible with the Super Compact, I should have taken the option…Is anybody using BF cab on a speaker stand?
If so, which cab? What has been your experience?
TopHat
Add a top-hat (PA speaker 35mm diameter pole-mount*) to your cabinet. Allows the cabinet to be raised off the floor and placed on a stand. Only available on One10, Super Mini (T), Super Compact (T) and Big Baby 3. *SPEAKER STAND NOT INCLUDED
Yes! I use a passive no tweeter One10 on a K&M 21454 stand. The initial purpose was to acoustically uncouple the cab from an acoustic bass body to reduce feed back and it does that incredibly well. But the cab at ear level and the amp on a small Pedaltrain board clamped to the stand at waist level is so intuitive and sounds so good I use it with all cabs and basses now.Is anybody using BF cab on a speaker stand?
If so, which cab? What has been your experience?
TopHat
Add a top-hat (PA speaker 35mm diameter pole-mount*) to your cabinet. Allows the cabinet to be raised off the floor and placed on a stand. Only available on One10, Super Mini (T), Super Compact (T) and Big Baby 3. *SPEAKER STAND NOT INCLUDED
The only pic I have is with a 1x12 Berg but you get the idea. The K&M 195/8 36mm mounting adapter is attached with threaded stud knobs into 5/16” x 15mm wood inserts. I would not recommend installing these yourself if you haven’t installed them before or without a drill stop collar to keep the bit from going balls deep onto the cab. I also used a hand drill with a good drill guide to keep the bit aligned and the same setup with a hex bit to drive the inserts in straight.
If I were ordering the One10 again I'd get the factory installed top-hat mount.
It’s much cleaner and significantly lowers the centre of gravity. But with the cab’s internal baffling to consider installing this type of mount is definitely best done at Barefaced.
Not visible here but there are large fender washers between the knob and the stand adapter. If I ever need to use the cab without the adapter black button head screws cap the inserts and make them barely noticeable.
Amp on top of the cab or on the floor weren’t acceptable options. I used this Upgrade Innovations clamp to mount the pedalboard to the stand. Needed the additional 35mm shims to get a good fit on the stand. Expensive clamp but beautifully machined and the rail system it’s designed for uses the same size square tube as the outside rails on a Pedaltrain. It’s perfect. Done freehand with a die grinder the notch isn't as pretty as it could be….
One last thing to mention that may be a dealbreaker for those compulsively concerned with reducing weight is you need extra ballast on the bottom of the stand to make it safe from tipping over. How much depends on the specific stand and cab. The factory top-hat would noticeably improve stability. I went with a 12lb steel shot bag which is the most compact option and works fine. Sandbags are cheaper but over 3 times the size and make a mess when (not if) they get damaged. Maybe you could use a bigger, heavier stand with a wider footprint designed for larger PA cabs without any ballast but you’re not saving any money or much total weight and opened to a safe footprint it'll take up more room on stage. Also if you ever sit (I do sometimes) a bigger stand might not go as low as you want.
Wow, this post turned out kinda like smoking a joint before washing a few dishes. 2 hours later you’ve emptied all the cupboards to wipe them down and cleaned behind the fridge….
I wanted to see the difference in size and aesthetics between the Big Twin 3, Big 24 and Super 24.
I was confused because the product page of Super 24 says:
But I realised that both the Big 24 and the Super 24 have the same width of 24 inches, which allows them to be used with a large tube head such as the SVT.
The Super 24 is much shorter and lighter (18kg / 40lbs) than the Big 24 (26kg / 57lbs).
It is also significantly cheaper:
I was confused because the product page of Super 24 says:
But I realised that both the Big 24 and the Super 24 have the same width of 24 inches, which allows them to be used with a large tube head such as the SVT.
The Super 24 is much shorter and lighter (18kg / 40lbs) than the Big 24 (26kg / 57lbs).
It is also significantly cheaper:
Model | Width | Height | Weight (grill cloth) | Price (UK) |
| Big Twin 3 | 52cm / 20.5" | 90cm / 35.5" | 24kg / 52.5lbs | £1,749.00 |
| Big 24 | 61cm / 24" | 90cm / 35.5" | 26kg / 57lbs | £2,099.00 |
| Super 24 | 61cm / 24" | 61cm / 24" | 17kg / 37lbs | £1,299.00 |
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And you can stack 2 Super 24 cabs, for a monstruous 2 ohm rig
That's hilarious: 2 Super 24 cabs weights half as much (total 34kg) than a SVT 810 (62kg)
That's hilarious: 2 Super 24 cabs weights half as much (total 34kg) than a SVT 810 (62kg)
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Thanks for the detailed reply! I m considering using One10 this way. I assume that it would be mostl useful with upright bass...as your initial purpose was.
When placed on the speaker stand, is your cab able to carry the room?...or do you use it just for your monitoring?
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My One10T and One ten together are crazy loud and low. YMMV, of course.
The One10 is an amazing cab but its ability to effectively carry a room is limited. For me so far that’s about 100 seats with a little kick in the PA. Maybe I’m not best qualified to judge but if the pole makes any difference out in the room I think it’s very small. Certainly not enough to be worth the cost and BS of hauling more gear. If you play in bars I’d try using a barstool for a while before doing pole mount. I did that for years. Truth is carrying the extra stuff is a minor pain in the butt.
For me it's just as much about the quality of the sound as feedback. Depending on how high you go raising the cab starts to reduce some of the muddy low end the floor proximity effect can cause. Uncoupling acoustically from the floor can have a similar effect to using a HPF (sort of). A majority of people seem to like feel their cabs on the floor though.
I understand that with the cab on a PA stand, there will be less lows (due to boundary reinforcement missing).
The reason I asked was to find out whether One10 projects sufficient lows to carry small room without the "help" of boundary reinforcement...
Got it. Didn’t mean to talk down to you.
If whether or not a single One10 could carry a room came down to it being on the floor vs a pole that would be cutting it waaaaay too close. On a gig under less than ideal conditions the window between noticing a positive difference and experiencing the fundamental limitations of the cab would be very small.
You have a One10 now, right?
