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Official Joyo Club Part 2: Beyond Thunderclone

#1,801
I had a quick look inside the Old School Distortion.
OldSchoolParts.JPG


There are two boards with a lot of stuff in between.
I'm guessing they have a common board for all the ironman units with connectors, power supply etc.
Then a second sandwich board with the specific circuit for each effect.
Tough to disassemble any further.

OldSchoolSandwich.JPG


A quick parts count :
4558 dual op amp
2x unidentified transistors (or possibly more diodes in 3-pin 2-packs)
4x silicon diodes
2x LEDs
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Looks like the transistors and one opamp are probably buffer and tone-shaping stages.
The other op amp seems to have silicon clippers in the feedback loop (TS-like) and on the output (rat-like).

At first I thought the LEDs were part of another clipping stage, then I realized they're just illumination for the JOYO logo on the cover.
OldSchoolBoard3.JPG

There's a zillion pedals with that basic clipping circuit, and it's really the baked-in tone stack that defines this little screamer.
 
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Hey dudes...I've recently purchased a joyo california sounds pedal for my back-up pedalboard. I was inspired by jo bass on getting one since one of the distortion pedals I've owned went kaput. originally I was gonna purchase the british sound since I was a fan of marshall-type distortion sounds on bass. plus I would describe this pedal as the poor man's maxon distortion master. but since I've checked out the california sound and noticed how warm and heavy it sounded, I've decided to go with the california sound pedal instead. looking forward to it's arrival.
 
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sbato said:
I was looking at Joyo Ultimate Drive, American and British. I looked a lot of youtube videos, but i'm still not sure that what i'm looking for is there.

Is there a Joyo stomp that sounds similar to the Heavy setting of SourceAudio Aftershock?
A sample is on this Youtube video by Adam Arts, at 1:07.
Thank you!




P.S.: Joyo UD sounds anything like this? Because i wouldn't like it (while i like Fulltone OCD on bass on youtube clips)

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Given the Heavy in that clip is modeled after darkglass I'd stay away from the American if you're trying to get that sound. You could get close to the eq with the Mid and the Voice control, but the character of the distortion is more vintage and mushy, not real gravelly like the aftershock clip. The British distortion is more gravelly but does lose a tiny bit more low end. Can't speak to the UD
 
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SunnBass said:
Well cr*p guys... somehow, even though it's definitely a "watched" thread, I stopped getting alerts for replies in this thread.
I got all caught up today and found that some people needed numbers, so I updated the list.
If I missed anyone, let me know!!!

New:
171. @BXBss
172. @LeoFromPortland
173. @Double Wubbler
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Me too please - I’ve a UD, American, California, OJ, and Dyna Comp.
 
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BunchyMutt said:
Looking forward to your review of this
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OK so it's obvious that the CleanGlass can't be exactly the same as the AmericanSound.
It only has four knobs vs the American's six.

Since the American is clearly the most popular pedal in this tread, the questions on everyone's minds are probably :
1) Is it the same amp/cab sim circuit ? and
2) How does the one-knob tone control compare to the American's lo-mid-high control ?

I don't have an American so I can't speak to the first question, but I have to say that the baked-in tone is highly addictive.
I might post some gut shots if I get time.

Generally with new overdrives, I try to find a clean tone and then figure out what the knobs do from there.
So I start with Drive at minimum and Volume boosted, then tweak the tone controls.

I was surprised to discover that the Tone knob is completely dependent on Drive.
With Drive at minimum, Tone has absolutely no effect !

So it looks like there's a clean path and a drive path which are blended, and that the Tone control occurs only on the drive side. Clean-blend should be good news for retaining essential bass character, which it does reasonably well.

Once Drive is increased, Tone still has a relatively minor effect.
I think it's a treble boost/cut, but by this time distortion has set in and it's tough to say more than "it turns the treble up and down a bit."

The Voice control effects both the clean and drive path.
Voice is reported to be before the distortion in the Character / Sound series, and that seems to be true here.
It seems to be a broad mid boost/cut filter which mostly shows up as gain.

Overall I like this little unit.
Probably a keeper, but I haven't done A-B against the modele B, currently my mini-OD of choice.

Where it clearly falls short of the American is in post-distortion tone-shaping, which seems pretty minimal.


I'm also interested to know if the Sound-series is similar, with separate clean and drive paths
and if the lo-mid-hi controls are likewise restricted to just the distortion leg.
 
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sbato said:
Is there a Joyo stomp that sounds similar to the Heavy setting of SourceAudio Aftershock?
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BunchyMutt said:
Given the Heavy in that clip is modeled after darkglass I'd stay away from the American. The British distortion is more gravelly but does lose a tiny bit more low end.
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Actually, according to the Aftershock manual, "The Heavy circuit creates a hybrid sound somewhere between the big-bottom Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi® and gritty Way Huge Swollen Pickle®." So you seem to be looking for a Muff.

I haven't noticed joyo's muffs being discussed much here, but according to some clone lists :
Joyo VD1 Vintage Distortion = electro-harmonix Big Muff
JOYO JF-17 Extreme Metal = electro-harmonix Metal Muff

Mooer has a couple of mini muff clones.
 
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Double Wubbler said:
Joyo VD1 Vintage Distortion = electro-harmonix Big Muff
JOYO JF-17 Extreme Metal = electro-harmonix Metal Muff
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Yes, the JF-17 is a Metal Muff clone.
However, there is no VD1 Vintage distortion made by Joyo.
Joyo has a Vintage Overdrive, but it's modeled after a Tubescreamer.

Behringer makes a VD1. It is a Muff clone.
 
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Double Wubbler said:
Actually, according to the Aftershock manual, "The Heavy circuit creates a hybrid sound somewhere between the big-bottom Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi® and gritty Way Huge Swollen Pickle®." So you seem to be looking for a Muff.
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"The Heavy circuit creates a booming low end with lots of drive, great for power trio setups with lots of grit. This is Engine 37."

Half a page down, Engine 37 = Smoked Glass C4L, which is one of two of Source Audio's Darkglass emulation
 
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Thanks for that link. I've been reading an older manual which only goes up to engine 24 and the
text makes no reference to which engine is used for the three primary sounds.

It's interesting they've removed reference to the Muffs from their primary description.
Perhaps that was the initial marketing requirement and not reflective of the actual distortion model used.
 
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Double Wubbler said:
Thanks for that link. I've been reading an older manual which only goes up to engine 24 and the
text makes no reference to which engine is used for the three primary sounds.

It's interesting they've removed reference to the Muffs from their primary description.
Perhaps that was the initial marketing requirement and not reflective of the actual distortion model used.
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Muff is likely trademarked by EHX.
 
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Ok, for anyone else who has a total Joyo board, what gig bag do you use to put it all in? I have an ExStompBox mini pedal board which houses three of my four pedals, the comp being in front of the board but out of the way so I don't accidentally stomp on it; it's a always on pedal for me these days.
It'd be cool if Joyo made a pedalboard lol but anyhow, what gig bag? I've looked on Amazon for a pedalboard gig bag, I'm ok with the little board I've got just want a better bag. Using a shoulder bag I picked up overseas on a business trip years ago.
 
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LeoFromPortland said:
Ok, for anyone else who has a total Joyo board, what gig bag do you use to put it all in? I have an ExStompBox mini pedal board which houses three of my four pedals, the comp being in front of the board but out of the way so I don't accidentally stomp on it; it's a always on pedal for me these days.
It'd be cool if Joyo made a pedalboard lol but anyhow, what gig bag? I've looked on Amazon for a pedalboard gig bag, I'm ok with the little board I've got just want a better bag. Using a shoulder bag I picked up overseas on a business trip years ago.
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I have the same brand Stompbox board. I bought a small, all purpose case off Amazon. Cut the foam to fit. It's perfect.
 

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