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Three just arrived Friday and I was lucky enough to scooped one up that day.
Nice! The Bassman 135 is a great head but I would run out of headroom in certain settings.
Really excited to see how the AD200B sounds to what I remember the Bassman sounding like back in the days I was gigging one (2004-2007)
I came SO close to buying a used OBC115 this morning from GC. Great price ($460, like new) but as soon as I went to check out I was notified that it was no longer available. I even called the location and the guy said he had JUST sold it over the phone about 10 minutes before. Too good to be true 
The hunt continues...
The hunt continues...
Excellent, excellent cab. Keep trying.I came SO close to buying a used OBC115 this morning from GC. Great price ($460, like new) but as soon as I went to check out I was notified that it was no longer available. I even called the location and the guy said he had JUST sold it over the phone about 10 minutes before. Too good to be true
The hunt continues...
I know I ain't the person yr asking, but....
My AD200B seems to go great with my Bassman Pro Neo 115s and with my Berg HG410. In these CV19 times, sadly I don't remember using it many times with my NV215, but one time with the NV215 wasn't great. It was in a NASTY room. Echo-ey and chasm like. That I ended up using my BAmp and notching out the troublesome freqs.
So, I'm really looking forward to hearing it with my NV215 in a decent room.
....... now that I cast my mind back a cuppla yrs, I do remember using the AD200B and NV215 outdoors, and it was amazing.
Case, temporarily, closed
And, STILL, looking forward to using the 2 together again
i hear a lot that the AD200B pairs excellent with 15’s. In particular the TL606 style. I had a Dually in the past I still fantasize about re-buying and using. But the last few years I was using an Avatar 2x12 with my Bassman 135. The Avatar used the Genz Benz speakers Dave bought on clearance. And that combo is really amazing IMO. Loud, full, good low end and driving mids. The LDS cabs were custom built to use these same drivers. And I’m waiting on a Series cable to hook them all up to the AD200 8 ohm tap. It’ll be ridiculous.
But I’d love to get a good 2x15 as well. Just for the heck of it.
I came SO close to buying a used OBC115 this morning from GC. Great price ($460, like new) but as soon as I went to check out I was notified that it was no longer available. I even called the location and the guy said he had JUST sold it over the phone about 10 minutes before. Too good to be true
The hunt continues...
I was tempted by that too. It was at my local store. They had 2 OBC115s and an AD200B. Some poor soul probably got $1000 in trade-in for all of that.
I know that 2 OBC115s go great with the AD200B and the TB500 for playing most stuff. I gravitated towards the 10s because I needed a bit more definition with KOJOTE than with the old band, mostly because we needed a more modern sound and I now have to fit between two guitars and a different drummer. But in every other situation, you can't do much wrong with two 15s. Low miss is where they're at.
Hiho,OBC115 is the dogs danglers I use one with my TB500-2009 special edition in white.
Best sounding rig I,ve had.I have a SP212 as well which is a little monster.They sound well together as well if a trifle on the loud side and plenty ooomph.
Best sounding rig I,ve had.I have a SP212 as well which is a little monster.They sound well together as well if a trifle on the loud side and plenty ooomph.
Hey all I recently picked up a Bass Butler, so along with my AD200B & TB 1K this new Butler has finally filled the pedalboard niche with Orange.
Questions* for any other folks that have had some additional time to use the Butler:
*I'd like to use a Y-cable to connect/combine/merge both of the XLR outs to provide a single XLR out feed.
Has anyone tried this yet? And if so, how did it go?*
There are a few reasons why I want to combine both XLR outs-
1. I can only provide one XLR feed to the house/board etc;- this is non negotiable.
2. I don't want to be forced to decide to use only the clean or only use the dirt for the XLR feed.
3. I want to keep both cab sims in the signal chain and they are only available in the XLR out feeds
FWIW, I've already contacted Orange USA tech support, and was surprised to learn that I was the first one to ask this question.
Questions* for any other folks that have had some additional time to use the Butler:
*I'd like to use a Y-cable to connect/combine/merge both of the XLR outs to provide a single XLR out feed.
Has anyone tried this yet? And if so, how did it go?*
There are a few reasons why I want to combine both XLR outs-
1. I can only provide one XLR feed to the house/board etc;- this is non negotiable.
2. I don't want to be forced to decide to use only the clean or only use the dirt for the XLR feed.
3. I want to keep both cab sims in the signal chain and they are only available in the XLR out feeds
FWIW, I've already contacted Orange USA tech support, and was surprised to learn that I was the first one to ask this question.
Sascha Erni
Making things go whoomp, whoomp since 1994
Personally I just went with a Radial ProDI between the Amp-out of the Bass Butler and my amp for such situations, rather than trying to combine the XLR-outs. Works fine, and I wonder how well a simple 50/50 mixdown of the two cab sims would work in practice. In our rehearsal space, where I go to the board with both outputs, the Dirt channel is dialed in a lot louder than the Clean channel, and if I try to balance them out for the two DIs on the Butler (i.e. what a Y cable would provide), it’s totally off for the Amp.
I want to avoid having to use a standalone DI like the Radial ProDI and such. A simple Y-cable is well, simpler. Plus there is no added color that certain DI's will also add to the signal chain. And I get that there will have to be some dialing in to mix the clean & dirt feeding together this way, again I'm wanting to use the expression pedal to increase or decrease the dirt rather then leave it dialed in louder than the clean. Achieve unity with the expression backed off, then add dirt with travel from the pedal.
My main concern is = will using a Y-cable to merge both XLR outs damage the Butler?
I don't want to smoke a new Butler, in the process of exploring this experiment.
My main concern is = will using a Y-cable to merge both XLR outs damage the Butler?
I don't want to smoke a new Butler, in the process of exploring this experiment.
I've loved my step pyramid of boom comprised of an OBC-115 & OBC112, sounds great w/ the Terror Bass & somewhat surprisingly w/ the V-4B as well.
Moving the OBC-115 is an event, but at least it makes up for it in tones
Moving the OBC-115 is an event, but at least it makes up for it in tones
I've loved my step pyramid of boom comprised of an OBC-115 & OBC112, sounds great w/ the Terror Bass & somewhat surprisingly w/ the V-4B as well.
Moving the OBC-115 is an event, but at least it makes up for it in tones
You can try what I did. I screwed on some casters onto the skid boards of 1 of my OBC115's and I am now able to roll around the entire stack with no problems whatsoever. It was a PITA moving 1 cab to the car, then going back and getting the second one and trying to keep from hitting the walls, doorways or scraping my knuckles. Now I just roll them both out together at any angle, easy.
I've loved my step pyramid of boom comprised of an OBC-115 & OBC112, sounds great w/ the Terror Bass & somewhat surprisingly w/ the V-4B as well.
Moving the OBC-115 is an event, but at least it makes up for it in tones
I have two OBC-112’s and a Terror Bass, but I’ve wondered how it would sound with one 12 and one fifteen. I mean, I haven’t tried it live with the two 12’s yet, but you know.
In combining 2 outputs for 1 Di signal I have used this unit with success back in the day of bi-amping. that way you won’t run into phase issues or worry about damaging the butler.
IMP COMBINER - Catalog - Whirlwind
IMP COMBINER - Catalog - Whirlwind
I would also rather go with a DI Box or Combiner because a simple cable might introduce unwanted noise. Phase issues should be negligible since the Dirty Channel is high-passed if I remember correctly. I also doubt it would smoke the unit, since there is no phantom power and the signal should not carry any significant current.
Just out of curiosity, why is point 1 non negotiable?
Hey guys, thanks for the replies. My response may be a little long winded so please bear with me in advance.
My local state gov. has just announced another (temp) but this time around, "modified" lockdown. Once again prohibiting in person dining and public gatherings etc; I feel that we will be dealing directly with the impact of SARS-Cov2 for at least the next 2-3+ years. Meaning that large gatherings will not be on the horizon anytime soon. So as a result, I'm paring my gear down to accommodate this new abnormal.
So my new ethos going forward is to be able to do more- with less.
Even the new band project we are putting together is a reflection of that- we are now a power trio.
My feeds in this format consists of 1 mic feed 1 synth (moog) feed and 1 Bass feed. This is why point 1. is for the most part non-negotiable, I'm already using 3 feeds minimum. For small rooms, they usually have small boards. And small boards tend to get populated quickly.
For stage monitor duties (which most likely will also carry the room) I have the aforementioned AD200B + TB1k and 2x OBC115's and 2x SP212's in keeping with the new ethos, I do not plan on using the heads in this format. Instead I will be using a stereo power amp ie; a single* Crown XLS1502-or- a single* Crown XLS2502. Most times it will likely be the 1502 and the 2x SP212's = one channel+ one SP212 for the synth and one channel+ one SP212 for the bass. Here again emphasizing the need to keep the bass feed down to 1-XLR. And also- here again emphasizing my desire to keep the cab sims in the signal chain since the Crown, is for the most part uncolored. I may decide to use one OBC115 for the bass and one SP212 for the synth or conversely use both the OBC115's but at the end of the day, I will only be schlepping 2 cabs max.
There is also the option of paring down to one OBC410, but I like the definition of separate cabs for the bass & the synth.
As Sascha, mentioned using the summed 1/4" amp-out on the Butler is the easiest way to have one output from the Butler, but the way the Butler is configured this option bypasses the baked in cab sims, and not only do I want to use the cab sims, but in this application I kinda actually need them. I want to squeeze all of the Orange flavor that I can out of the Butler
= doing more with less.
As for the Bass pedalboard, it will consist of a TC Polytune 3 Noir mini + Green Rhino MKII + TAFM + Whirlwind Rochester series Orange box + TC Flashback + CAE wah + the Orange Bass Butler. I'm still contemplating whether to incorporate an SFX Thumpinator and/or LBA2020's - these to be mounted underneath with the PS.
At least this is the initial plan ATM. As can be imagined this is a modest board- yet still producing strong analog flavors. I mention this because I do not want to go the HX Stomp route or similar ilk-I prefer to use old school analog for the flavorings. Still with these few pedals, the Butler takes up the most realestate followed by the TAFM the CAE and the Rhino, the WW & TC's are 1590's etc. Though the Butler does cover more essential functions, the onboard compressor eliminates a 1590 slot in itself.
Trying to keep the board as compact as possible is top priority, by adding another box enclosure like the IMP Combiner (thanks for that
) or as I mentioned before- similar DI's seems to be in a way redundant if I can make do with the Butler alone, while still being able to use the onboard cab sims. If noise or phase etc; issues arise, well- then I will be forced to use a standalone DI or ISO box combiner. There might be room underneath for that eventuality, and if that turns out to be the case? I will probably try to wedge the IMP Combiner or this: Mix 2:1 - Radial Engineering underneath, or if room allows up-top.
As for taking a chance with smoking the Butler, by using a Y-cable? the Butler may? not be squeezing out a ton of juice, but it's still an amp. And most amps that are not not configured or have the option to be bridged at the outputs remains sketchy in my mind to just go ahead and try it out to see what happens on power-up. I think I'm going to initially play it safe and go ahead and use an ISO box like the IMP Combiner or the Radial Mix-2:1 and see how that goes? What do you guys think?
My local state gov. has just announced another (temp) but this time around, "modified" lockdown. Once again prohibiting in person dining and public gatherings etc; I feel that we will be dealing directly with the impact of SARS-Cov2 for at least the next 2-3+ years. Meaning that large gatherings will not be on the horizon anytime soon. So as a result, I'm paring my gear down to accommodate this new abnormal.
So my new ethos going forward is to be able to do more- with less.
Even the new band project we are putting together is a reflection of that- we are now a power trio.
My feeds in this format consists of 1 mic feed 1 synth (moog) feed and 1 Bass feed. This is why point 1. is for the most part non-negotiable, I'm already using 3 feeds minimum. For small rooms, they usually have small boards. And small boards tend to get populated quickly.
For stage monitor duties (which most likely will also carry the room) I have the aforementioned AD200B + TB1k and 2x OBC115's and 2x SP212's in keeping with the new ethos, I do not plan on using the heads in this format. Instead I will be using a stereo power amp ie; a single* Crown XLS1502-or- a single* Crown XLS2502. Most times it will likely be the 1502 and the 2x SP212's = one channel+ one SP212 for the synth and one channel+ one SP212 for the bass. Here again emphasizing the need to keep the bass feed down to 1-XLR. And also- here again emphasizing my desire to keep the cab sims in the signal chain since the Crown, is for the most part uncolored. I may decide to use one OBC115 for the bass and one SP212 for the synth or conversely use both the OBC115's but at the end of the day, I will only be schlepping 2 cabs max.
There is also the option of paring down to one OBC410, but I like the definition of separate cabs for the bass & the synth.
As Sascha, mentioned using the summed 1/4" amp-out on the Butler is the easiest way to have one output from the Butler, but the way the Butler is configured this option bypasses the baked in cab sims, and not only do I want to use the cab sims, but in this application I kinda actually need them. I want to squeeze all of the Orange flavor that I can out of the Butler
= doing more with less.As for the Bass pedalboard, it will consist of a TC Polytune 3 Noir mini + Green Rhino MKII + TAFM + Whirlwind Rochester series Orange box + TC Flashback + CAE wah + the Orange Bass Butler. I'm still contemplating whether to incorporate an SFX Thumpinator and/or LBA2020's - these to be mounted underneath with the PS.
At least this is the initial plan ATM. As can be imagined this is a modest board- yet still producing strong analog flavors. I mention this because I do not want to go the HX Stomp route or similar ilk-I prefer to use old school analog for the flavorings. Still with these few pedals, the Butler takes up the most realestate followed by the TAFM the CAE and the Rhino, the WW & TC's are 1590's etc. Though the Butler does cover more essential functions, the onboard compressor eliminates a 1590 slot in itself.
Trying to keep the board as compact as possible is top priority, by adding another box enclosure like the IMP Combiner (thanks for that
) or as I mentioned before- similar DI's seems to be in a way redundant if I can make do with the Butler alone, while still being able to use the onboard cab sims. If noise or phase etc; issues arise, well- then I will be forced to use a standalone DI or ISO box combiner. There might be room underneath for that eventuality, and if that turns out to be the case? I will probably try to wedge the IMP Combiner or this: Mix 2:1 - Radial Engineering underneath, or if room allows up-top.As for taking a chance with smoking the Butler, by using a Y-cable? the Butler may? not be squeezing out a ton of juice, but it's still an amp. And most amps that are not not configured or have the option to be bridged at the outputs remains sketchy in my mind to just go ahead and try it out to see what happens on power-up. I think I'm going to initially play it safe and go ahead and use an ISO box like the IMP Combiner or the Radial Mix-2:1 and see how that goes? What do you guys think?
