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Official Zon Club Part 2

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I think the 19mm thing may have a bit to do with it, though the Zons with full-width spacing don't actually sell any faster or for more cash. I think is there something to be said for that argument, since it tends to be that adults who buy more expensive basses like 19mm, and narrower spacing tends to be associated with cheaper instruments and a younger crowd, but based on the numbers I've kept there is only a very, very weak correlation between spacing and resale. (Yeah, I've actually kept numbers on this...)

I don't think it's the adjustment rod thing, either. People wonder about it, but they tend to sell anyway. I have a theory that that may be why a certain Zon has been resold here (for increasing prices each time) over and over and over, but the basses that have adjustment rods are newer, and "new" was only mildly correlated with resale.

If anything, I think the strongest factor in the low resale is the price bracket. Stuff in the $3000-5000 range just has terrible resale, unless you are Ken Smith or a high-end Jazz bass. These all tend to go for less than $2000, and the ones that are above only really sell because they are a rare model or have rare features, and they take forever (see for example, Oteil Burbridge Modulus).

Get above that price range, and stuff suddenly has resale power.

I've started to keep a running data set on Alembics, because they are the weirdest example. Sometimes they go for really cheap, and sometimes the 20 year old cheap models still sell for $3000.

I had the opportunity to see Michael Manring's ZONs up close at a clinic this summer and the fingerboards on his hyperbasses do not seem to have the phenowood grain that my ZONs have. I just wondered if they are made the same way? Does anyone know?

Yeah, they're made the same way. His bubinga-topped Sonus "Hyperbass" a regular fingerboard, but since it's pretty old it was built before they started using the phenowood with the woodgrain-like pattern on it. Most old Zons have fingerboards that look like that. My '92 Sonus looks like it has a jet black ebony fingerboard, but it's the same material as they are using currently.

His actual Hyperbass has a black lacquer finish on it, which you can still order today (mine has it, too). He doesn't do it standard anymore, though, because he thinks the tone of the unfinished board is more attractive. This finish will make the fingerboard look jet black even with the current grain-appearance phenowood.
 
...If anything, I think the strongest factor in the low resale is the price bracket. Stuff in the $3000-5000 range just has terrible resale, unless you are Ken Smith or a high-end Jazz bass. These all tend to go for less than $2000, and the ones that are above only really sell because they are a rare model or have rare features, and they take forever (see for example, Oteil Burbridge Modulus)...
I hear you, and generally agree, but per the OP on this, it does seem to be particularly bad for Zons for some reason... seriously... and I really can't think of a good reason why.
 
His actual Hyperbass has a black lacquer finish on it, which you can still order today (mine has it, too). He doesn't do it standard anymore, though, because he thinks the tone of the unfinished board is more attractive. This finish will make the fingerboard look jet black even with the current grain-appearance phenowood.

Michael Manring's Sonus is a really interesting instrument. It has the extended cutaway and a three octave neck I believe. I think it also has hipshot levers so that he has some ability to change tunings on the fly.
 
Michael Manring's Sonus is a really interesting instrument. It has the extended cutaway and a three octave neck I believe. I think it also has hipshot levers so that he has some ability to change tunings on the fly.

It is just a Hyperbass without the full detuning bridge, a Sonus body and two pickups (so the fingerboard is less than three octaves). There have been quite a few built like that.

It is a cool instrument!
 
It seems that newer incarnations of boutique instruments do not carry the same resale value of some of the older ones. Used MTD's are less valuable than older, pre-Gibson Tobias basses.

So here's the odd thing: We all agree that Zon's don't have quite the resale we think they should, yet finding them used is often challenging - they just don't come up as often as other (seemingly) and I *know* that plenty were built, particularly in the early to mid '90s when GC was selling them. Where *are* all those old Sonus's? Are the owners so happy with them that they're hanging on?


Additionally, the new instruments are VERY spendy... you'd think that'd nudge the price of the used basses up...

One on ebay right now (no, it's not mine! - they're not for sale!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZON-Sonus-519-S...s-/290519772467?pt=Guitar&hash=item43a453ed33
 
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Do you know how the electronics are configured on this instrument?

Yeah, it's a pretty simple setup- two standard Bartolini pickups into a preamp and out. It's nothing like the complexity of the Hyperbass.

There was something funky about the pickups- I don't remember if they are single coils inside the shell or humbuckers, but it was a type of pickup that didn't normally occupy that shell. I cannot remember anymore, though.

I think I remember it having the Bartolini preamp, but I honestly cannot remember if it has that or an older Polyfusion.

I just can't remember anymore, sorry!
 
Looks really pretty.

Seems to be the seller didn`t know the correct model name and features, but fortunately some "Vic" guy chimed in to clear things up. :smug:

Great price!

I don't mean to be nit picky, but looking at the spacing of the saddles at the bridge, this bass has 19mm spacing. By the looks of it, it's just a 34" scale 519, of which they've made plenty. He needs to measure the spacing, because if it is 19mm, then it's just a 34" 519 with standard options.

It could just be a trick of the eye, though. But it doesn't look like 17mm to me.

They've made way too many changes and exceptions to builds that to identify it based off of fret count or switchs.

Edit: The more I stare at it, the more I can't convince myself about the spacing either way, but it still looks more 19 than 17.
 
I hear you, and generally agree, but per the OP on this, it does seem to be particularly bad for Zons for some reason... seriously... and I really can't think of a good reason why.

Pedulla's also frequently have a low resale value. I have a Pedulla Thunderbass and the workmanship on the instrument was outstanding. It had neck-through-body construction, Bartolini pickups, ebony fingerboard and a AA maple top. However, it sold in the $1000-1200 range.
 
There have been quite a few built like that. It is a cool instrument!

Your comment that more than one of these basses have been built was a surprise to me. I thought that Michael Manring had the only one. Do you know any more about this? Did people place orders after seeing Michael's? His must have been the first, right? I remember reading that the top is a piece of figured bubinga.

And the neck must be close to three octaves. A two octave neck is 3/4 of the scale length and a three octave neck is 7/8. Pictures I have show that it must be close to 7/8.

Alastair
 
Michael's was probably the first, yes, but I can't say anything definitively. I also don't know about absolute numbers, but I've seen plenty of them of similar fashion. They've definitely built more than one with the same specs and a bubinga top, I've owned one with the same specs and a spalted maple top, and they've built a bunch of single-pickup Sonus Hyperbasses (version I and II). There are lots out there. I think Michael's was built sometime in the early-mid 90's so it's been around for a long time.

The neck is around 30 positions or so- maybe only 28. I have a 36 fret Zon, and there is only space for one pickup. Add a second one like his has and you are reducing the number of frets substantially (even though his bridge pickup is pushed back toward the bridge). It might have as much as 32, but I'd think 30 is more likely.
 
Michael's was probably the first, yes, but I can't say anything definitively. I also don't know about absolute numbers, but I've seen plenty of them of similar fashion. They've definitely built more than one with the same specs and a bubinga top, I've owned one with the same specs and a spalted maple top, and they've built a bunch of single-pickup Sonus Hyperbasses (version I and II). There are lots out there. I think Michael's was built sometime in the early-mid 90's so it's been around for a long time.

The neck is around 30 positions or so- maybe only 28. I have a 36 fret Zon, and there is only space for one pickup. Add a second one like his has and you are reducing the number of frets substantially (even though his bridge pickup is pushed back toward the bridge). It might have as much as 32, but I'd think 30 is more likely.

I found this information on "Junior" from the extended notes to Michael's album (I recommend this album to all Zon enthusiasts) Soliloquy...

Zon Custom Sonus/Hyperbass Hybrid (aka "Junior")

"Junior" got his name because he's kind of a hybrid, and thus, the son of my previous workhorse Zon 4-string fretless, nicknamed "Bub", and the Hyperbass. Built in 1996, Junior is based on the Zon Sonus design, but with the fingerboard extended to three octaves with an accompanying cutaway, as on the Hyperbass. The bass also has Hipshot Ultralite Xtender Keys on every string. The body woods are ash with center laminate of purpleheart and bubinga top. Electronics include two custom Bartolini pickups and on-board preamp

.. Angus, this must have been where I read it was a three octave neck. We will have to ask Michael.

Alastair
 
I remember Joe telling me is isn't a full three octaves because of the double pickups, but if you are concerned about the number of positions then by all means ask!

I found a good image of MM with his Sonus Hyperbass on PBase. Just measuring off the image, the scale length was 150 mm and the length of the fingerboard was 133 mm. So the fingerboard is 0.886 of the scale length. That should be compared with the three octave ratio of 7/8 = 0.875. So it looks like there is less than 1/8 of the scale length between the end of the fingerboard and the bridge. That would suggest Michael is correct. I could be out by a few mm but even if I was, 18/150 is still less than 1/8th.
 
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