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Official Zon Club Part 2

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#544
Angus said:
The fact that you had to fill in my noun highlights how vague my sentences tend to be. :D
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Actually, no, you were clear.

I did that because I edited out the part where you said all the builders you know do the planning. I know of some that don't, or at least haven't always, so I couldn't literally +1 what you said.

That said, the times I've seen NAMM basses impact customer orders, I've always felt it was a huge mistake on the builder's part and should never happen. You HAVE to take care of customers, but you ALSO have to make sure you have the right stuff at NAMM.

The key is, as we're both really saying, planning. It's critical.
 
#545
Haha, I know, I'm just joking.

I've seen it happen, too- and had it happen to me- but I'm also well aware that planning and schedules are sometimes difficult for builders to follow, and NAMM is extremely important to their business so I'm cool letting it slide. These days waiting a bit longer doesn't really affect me.
 
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Vic said:
Actually, no, you were clear.

I did that because I edited out the part where you said all the builders you know do the planning. I know of some that don't, or at least haven't always, so I couldn't literally +1 what you said.

That said, the times I've seen NAMM basses impact customer orders, I've always felt it was a huge mistake on the builder's part and should never happen. You HAVE to take care of customers, but you ALSO have to make sure you have the right stuff at NAMM.

The key is, as we're both really saying, planning. It's critical.
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ever been in a shop pre-namm?
 
#551
Angus said:
I don't believe I've said nor claimed that anywhere here (or ever)- in fact I was speaking generally, having worked with multiple builders in the past.

Why are you getting so worked up? That isn't clear to me.
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I don't think he's getting worked up. I think he is just genuinely curious as to how you've come to gain so much knowledge on ZONs. If you notice, Mike's an endorse.
 
#552
The "you seem to be an expert" is generally a phrase used sarcastically when you think someone is full of it, thus it would seem to me that it is affecting him somehow. But maybe it's just one of those internet things.

I'm just a dude who lives 90 seconds down the street by car, have been a customer for a while and have done some (free) work for them in the past to help (which I don't think they ever got around to using, probably). I have never claimed to be personally affliated or to be an expert. I don't mean anything special to them, and have never claimed to!

And of course I notice Mike's an endorsee, which is fantastic. But doesn't he live in NY?

Again, I was speaking about builders in general. Most I know bring unsold instruments, or a mix of sold/unsold then ship the sold stuff off before coming home. Bringing all sold stuff really limits your cash-making capabilities at the show, even if you will get some new orders.
 
#553
Angus said:
The "you seem to be an expert" is generally a phrase used sarcastically when you think someone is full of it, it would seem to me that it is affecting him somehow. But maybe it's just one of those internet things.

I'm just a dude who lives 90 seconds down the street by car, have been a customer for a while and have done some (free) work for them in the past to help (which I don't think they ever got around to using, probably). I have never claimed to be personally affliated or to be an expert.

And of course I notice Mike's an endorsee, which is fantastic. But doesn't he live in NY?
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Yeah... email and forums are they absolute WORST communication mechanisms ever.
 
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AJ Brown said:
Yeah... email and forums are they absolute WORST communication mechanisms ever.
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Nah. Morse code is worse.

But yeah, a lot of emotional content and nuance gets lost.

Everybody take a deep breath, play 4 minutes of "What's Going On" to get your groove back, and return relaxed, refreshed, and ready for more.
:D

or go outside and try to convince your idiot dogs to stop barking their fool heads off, which is what I am going to do :D :D
 
#555
AJ Brown said:
Yeah... email and forums are they absolute WORST communication mechanisms ever.
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I am sorry if you assumed that I was being anything but genuine. You seem to have a great deal of info, particularly about Zon and I was wondering the connection, that is all.

I do live in NY and have had lots of experience with builders such as MTD. Also working in the industry as Director of Sales and Marketing for EA (retired), I know many luthiers. I am just speaking from my experience.
 
#557
Angus said:
It does have a barrel jack, but not the kind that most basses have- they use a totally different jack to other manufacturers most of the time.

Jeff (embellisher jeff), a picture could help- sometimes there is a very obvious problem. I'm willing to bet it it's just the jack going, but it's worth a shot. What type of cable are you using? Monster? I also want to see which jack your particular bass has.

Generally, when shaking makes something better, it's either a jack issue or a grounding issue (either a poor ground connection or two wires touching that shouldn't). The latter problem is less of an issue with printed boards, so it's probably the jack.
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Here are the photos. What's funny is that I played the bass on a couple of songs at church Sunday, and for the first time in a long time, had no issues. But I have been careful since the problem started to leave the knobs in 'my setting' so that I minimize any further damage to the PC board, if that is what is going on. All I messed with Sunday was the volume knob. The issues don't seem to be tied to a pot, but again, just trying to keep from touching anything when using it to minimize further damage, if possible.

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#558
Ok, so it's got the current style rectangular multi-pin jack. Does it cut in and out if you shake the bass?

Based on what you've described, it sounds like you just have a jack that's going bad. The internal connections are REALLY unlikely to have issues (if it had the Bartolini, then it might be more likely), and the only real wires in it are to the pots and the batteries. I'd really bet it's the jack.

Can you solder? If so I can send you an identical jack to replace it with. If not, then I imagine you probably also aren't comfortable removing the preamp, because if so I could fix the whole thing for you for free.
 
#560
Only five connections- you'll have to desolder the pickups (+/- for each) and the link grounding the copper shielding. That's it! Then it's just undoing the pots and jack.

All you really have to is heat the connection up and it'll come apart- desoldering is the much easier side.
 
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