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Official Zon Club Part 2

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rulyøngo;10536497 said:
What strings are you using with your Zon?...

Right now I'm using DR Hi-beams... Anyone tried the Dunlops?
Yeah, I think the Dunlops are actually really nice strings. I do prefer DR tho, and bounce back and forth between the HiBeams and LoRiders. However, I think my favorite string to use on my Sonus is the Dean Markley SR2000 tapered set. I just like the way they work on it.
 
One odd experience with strings on my Vinny. I put on a lightly used set of DR Hi-beams to try out. It sounded like something was loose or I was getting major fret buzz. I put on a different set and the buzz went away.

I'm guessing it had to do with the round core and the fact they had been on another bass. Possibly the wrap had loosened from the core. I'm not sure if this would have happened with a new set.
 
One odd experience with strings on my Vinny. I put on a lightly used set of DR Hi-beams to try out. It sounded like something was loose or I was getting major fret buzz. I put on a different set and the buzz went away.

I'm guessing it had to do with the round core and the fact they had been on another bass. Possibly the wrap had loosened from the core. I'm not sure if this would have happened with a new set.
You are exactly right.

The HiBeams are really unique beasts. That's why they come with that little piece of paper that says you should bend/crimp the string BEFORE cutting the end off. The reason is the windings can much more easily come loose from the core. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that removing and replacing a set of HiBeams would cause them to get "sprung". Throw them away.
 
Yeah, they were on the bass about two hours. :rollno:
Sorry man, but the HiBeam thing is a double edged sword. If you don't spring them, they probably last longer than any other type of string, because there aren't any "corners" to wear down on the core. However, because there aren't any corners in the core to bite into the windings, they can come loose much easier.
 
hello folks,
I've discovered my Sonus has issues with the medium freqs pot (il have the electronics with the 3way switch). The pot is dead, turning it does not change sound at all.
Is the preamp gone south ?
Thanks for any suggestion.
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Angus, any idea when Bart is going to get some Vinny pickups to Zon? A bunch of us are slowly losing our minds waiting.

I know they had issues. I just want to know when.

Thanks!

No idea- you'd have to ask them. I'd believe them, though...this has been a consistent issue with Bartolini.

Bartolini is slow getting stuff out for the same reason that most luthiers are: people want custom stuff that's just different enough to take a whole bunch of extra time which in turn delays normal production. They say yes, the projects take a whole bunch of extra time, which in the end slows the whole process down. It's a pretty standard thing in a business where all of the builders/makers really want to please customers and customers always want something slightly different from everyone else (usually for no reason).

Quickest way to speed up production? Learn to say no. But they are well-liked and well-thought of because they DON'T say no, but their production speed decreases as a result.
 
My take is Bartolini doesn't have the time for small luthiers like Zon. When Ibanez or Dean come calling how many sets do they order? 5000? 10000? And how many do Zon order? 50?

I think there should be a couple of things that need to be done...

1)Zon should find a new pick up supplier. Bartolini is not the know all see all manufacturer of pick ups. There are a lot of great guys out there.

2)Bartolini should have the decency to tell smaller manufacturers/luthiers to go else where or order in batches of 100's.

3)Redundancy is a business practice that Zon should practice. Look at Sadowsky, they get their pickups from Nordstrand, DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan.

4)Zon need to seriously go to a Borders and look for the "Idiots Guide To Good Communication".

My $0.02's!
 
My take is Bartolini doesn't have the time for small luthiers like Zon. When Ibanez or Dean come calling how many sets do they order? 5000? 10000? And how many do Zon order? 50?

I think there should be a couple of things that need to be done...

1)Zon should find a new pick up supplier. Bartolini is not the know all see all manufacturer of pick ups. There are a lot of great guys out there.

2)Bartolini should have the decency to tell smaller manufacturers/luthiers to go else where or order in batches of 100's.

3)Redundancy is a business practice that Zon should practice. Look at Sadowsky, they get their pickups from Nordstrand, DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan.

4)Zon need to seriously go to a Borders and look for the "Idiots Guide To Good Communication".

My $0.02's!

This is a very old story about Bartolini - they have always had supply issues - I mean since the '80s. They are a family operation (I met Ms. Bartolini at a NAMM show years ago) and are very nice folks... they sometimes have trouble keeping up.

That said, I'm sure Joe has considered other options. The 5/1 fretless I have came with a Duncan custom p'up (which sounds great) - so he offers p'ups from other builders, no doubt. Look at Lakland - they changed to making their own p'ups and I've read very few complaints (though I love the barts in *my* lakland) - So why not Zon (but I love the Bart soapbars in my Sonus 5...)
 
My take is Bartolini doesn't have the time for small luthiers like Zon. When Ibanez or Dean come calling how many sets do they order? 5000? 10000? And how many do Zon order? 50?

I think there should be a couple of things that need to be done...

1)Zon should find a new pick up supplier. Bartolini is not the know all see all manufacturer of pick ups. There are a lot of great guys out there.

2)Bartolini should have the decency to tell smaller manufacturers/luthiers to go else where or order in batches of 100's.

3)Redundancy is a business practice that Zon should practice. Look at Sadowsky, they get their pickups from Nordstrand, DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan.

4)Zon need to seriously go to a Borders and look for the "Idiots Guide To Good Communication".

My $0.02's!

Let me weigh in on this, if I may....

Firstly, the quantity that Zon orders doesn't impact Bartolini's "time for Zon". The pickups made for Ibanez are not made by the same people as the pickups for Zon- all the Ibanez stuff is made in Asia (Korea or Indonesia, I forget). So the big deals don't affect how or when Zon gets their stuff...except for the fact that the Ibanez deals make sure Bartolini keeps their doors open.

1) Yes, the delays are an issue, but Bartolinis are what people want, so it doesn't necessitate completely switching. But notice they have a model that comes with custom Seymour Duncans (the Studio, for example), and you can order them with any bass. You could also get EMGs, people have ordered them with Aeros, I got mine with Lane Poors, etc. All you have to do is ask. But if you want Bartolinis, then what are you going to do?

2) You don't understand their business, so this comment doesn't really reflect reality.

3) See #1. They use a number of pickup suppliers if you want them. But you can't just swap pickups on pre-existing orders with different pickups because one is delayed. These are not machine screws- they're pickups with huge, fundamental differences. It isn't ensuring redundancy if they aren't the same end product.

But, for reference, DiMarzio doesn't make pickups that fit this application and they do ZERO custom work, Nordstrands are very expensive so the customer would have to pay more, and they do use Seymour Duncan. It's substantially easier to get J pickups or J-style pickups from multiple different manufacturers, but that does not reflect the majority of Zon's business. Not really a direct comparison.

4) Yes, they need to hire someone full time who is good at dealing with customers. But that takes a lot of money, and they aren't swimming in it. Yeah though, that is absolutely, positively their weakness. Talk to Joe once though and you'll find out why: he's always bending over backwards and pushing until 10pm to get all of the customers' requests filled and made to their specifications. He's a hyper perfectionist, and at a certain point there's only so many hours in the day.

They would benefit from getting a really good person, though.
 
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