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Official Zon Club Part 5

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Im a new owner of this bass which I know has been posted here before. This was imported back to california from tokyo. I was excited just for zon to be able to see the condition of one of the very first basses they built.Serial number 030681. I thoughts this was the prototype original as I have never seen a picture of any of the other 11 that exist show up. Martin told me this one wasnt. This is sporting the new ray ross saddle-less bridge which was a direct drop in.. It was constructed wit and open option for 8 strings. it was my search for an 8 string alembic like greg lakes that led me to this bass so if it passes muster im going to have it converted by zon. with this being a piece of the brand history, im trying to avoid an invasive change. I have some gourgeous knobs ordered, if the 8 string conversion goes down, that would make this the first 8 string i guess ( by age). Im looking into fitment of the davinci tuners so they can be 8 full size. veners would be added to the headstock to cover any possible holes. I was requesting a bookmatched zebrawood headstock veneer regardless. I will need to find a good 8 string bridge. one more update is the control cover. debating if I shoudl haev this in an random color like purple heart or ebony or body matched with and acylic porthole so you can see through to the tidy zp-1 pre.
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aqua.spearo said:
Im a new owner of this bass which I know has been posted here before. This was imported back to california from tokyo. I was excited just for zon to be able to see the condition of one of the very first basses they built.Serial number 030681. I thoughts this was the prototype original as I have never seen a picture of any of the other 11 that exist show up. Martin told me this one wasnt. This is sporting the new ray ross saddle-less bridge which was a direct drop in.. It was constructed wit and open option for 8 strings. it was my search for an 8 string alembic like greg lakes that led me to this bass so if it passes muster im going to have it converted by zon. with this being a piece of the brand history, im trying to avoid an invasive change. I have some gourgeous knobs ordered, if the 8 string conversion goes down, that would make this the first 8 string i guess ( by age). Im looking into fitment of the davinci tuners so they can be 8 full size. veners would be added to the headstock to cover any possible holes. I was requesting a bookmatched zebrawood headstock veneer regardless. I will need to find a good 8 string bridge. one more update is the control cover. debating if I shoudl haev this in an random color like purple heart or ebony or body matched with and acylic porthole so you can see through to the tidy zp-1 pre. View attachment 3465446
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Very cool! Can you post a photo of that bridge? It looks like it might be "saddle-less," rather like the Ray Ross bridge:

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#1,945
I got updates from Dave, AKA MaidenBass. He gave me permission to post the following:

"So the bad news is I have not received either of my 2 Zon basses yet. Not the one I paid for in full in July of 2017, and not the one that I paid for in full of October of 2018.

And the good news is I have been back in contact with Joe since January (around the NAMM show is when he called me) and he has assured me that I will get both basses, but I just don't know exactly when."​
 
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Bryan R. Tyler said:
I will post a brief summary of what happened. We normally don’t discuss moderation here but since this thread was thrown into upheaval for quite a while by Maiden Bass, we’ll make an exception. This isn’t going to be an issue for discussion however.

Most everyone here saw MB’s behavior here. It wasn’t mere concern or anger- he was repeatedly posting that Zon was a thief, a liar, running a Ponzi scheme, etc., and that he filed a police report and insurance claims against him. Things that are libelous if they aren’t true. @Bob Clayton spent forever cleaning up this thread and we allowed him to open a new warning thread instead. Zon offered to ship him his Legacy this week but only if he deleted the thread. MB then tried to have us delete the thread, which we would not do as A. it contained other user’s posts and B. if his warnings were legitimate they absolutely should have stayed up. He then tried going back and deleting and/or editing out any negative comments he made from the thread- rewriting history basically. At that point I reply banned him from his own warning thread (which also would prevent him from being able to edit his posts) and told him he would not be permitted to post there again until the disingenuous behavior ceased and we got some straight answers from him. It was clear he was either massively blowing things out of proportion and running the company’s name through the gutter which is not acceptable here, or was being fully truthful and all the warnings and lawsuits were warranted but was fully willing to use TB as a bargaining chip and risk other user’s welfares and cover it all up in order to get what he wants. Again, not acceptable. That thread was deleted in the end as MB stated his warnings and criminal cases, etc. were all premature. We however absolutely do not condone needlessly dragging the company’s name through the mud.

Edit :typo and reply ban clarification
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My own 2¢: some here have essentially tried to claim that MaidenBass' ban proves there was nothing to his story. This is false: his rhetoric was over the top at times, but he never lied about the facts. The reason he was granted his Warning thread was because he copiously documented his complaints to the mods. The reasons for his ban are stated above by Bryan. In short, Dave regretted his rhetoric, and once he (finally) heard back from Zon, he wanted to erase the warnings because it seemed like he would actually get his basses soon. Unfortunately he hasn't yet received either bass -- not even the one mentioned in Bryan's post above. MaidenBass said he'd let me know when he does get them -- and he'd send pics, because he still knows that TB rule. ;)

My goal isn't to drag Zon's name through the mud: again, I got my custom order in 9 months, slightly over estimate, and it's a fantastic bass. I'm just here to post updates.
 
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Vic said:
To my ears, the polyfusion is much more modern, crispy, and a bit noisier. the bartolini, which is also my favorite of the two, is a bit warmer and natural/fuller sounding.
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Which Bartolini preamp are you referring to, I have a Legacy Elite 6 that has the Polyfusion and I have a 2nd Legacy Elite 6 on order right now, I may just do a Bartolini preamp instead of the Polyfusion, what is your take on this?
Is the Bartolini pre a better choice over the Polyfusion on a Legacy Elite set-neck instrument?
 
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Fuzzbass said:
My own 2¢: some here have essentially tried to claim that MaidenBass' ban proves there was nothing to his story. This is false: his rhetoric was over the top at times, but he never lied about the facts.
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I don't actually think that follows. Leaving aside the warnings from others about his patterns of behaviour, he flat our contradicted himself in his own thread and then started changing his story when people called him on it. That doesn't inspire any confidence on my part.

And then with the warnings... well. Enough said.

B>
 
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gwangi said:
Which Bartolini preamp are you referring to, I have a Legacy Elite 6 that has the Polyfusion and I have a 2nd Legacy Elite 6 on order right now, I may just do a Bartolini preamp instead of the Polyfusion, what is your take on this?
Is the Bartolini pre a better choice over the Polyfusion on a Legacy Elite set-neck instrument?
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The normal one Joe offers on the Sonuses (it wasn't a custom mod). I believe it's the NTMB.
 
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packrat said:
I don't actually think that follows. Leaving aside the warnings from others about his patterns of behaviour, he flat our contradicted himself in his own thread and then started changing his story when people called him on it. That doesn't inspire any confidence on my part.

And then with the warnings... well. Enough said.

B>
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As to the apparent contradictions, here's a clue:

Bryan R. Tyler said:
Zon offered to ship him his Legacy this week but only if he deleted the thread.
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Bottom line: MaidenBass has neither of the basses he paid for in full. Not the one he ordered in July 2017, nor the one he bought in October 2018 that was supposedly nearly done and would be ready for his Christmas gigs because the 2017 order wouldn't be. He succeeded in getting his own warning thread deleted at Zon's behest, but still has nothing to show for it.
 
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Fuzzbass said:
As to the apparent contradictions, here's a clue:



Bottom line: MaidenBass has neither of the basses he paid for in full. Not the one he ordered in July 2017, nor the one he bought in October 2018 that was supposedly nearly done and would be ready for his Christmas gigs because the 2017 order wouldn't be. He succeeded in getting his own warning thread deleted at Zon's behest, but still has nothing to show for it.
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... and he created that thread, with a lot of hyperbole about "warning others" (and a lot of pretty libelous content), to "leverage" Zon into getting him his order immediately. Which created the situation wherein:
a) he could delete the "warning thread" for his own personal gain (which meant that his passion for 'warning others' was a sham) OR
b) he could leave the "warning thread" and not get his bass "faster"

Either way showed a pretty deep lack of moral compass.
 
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kesslari said:
... and he created that thread, with a lot of hyperbole about "warning others" (and a lot of pretty libelous content), to "leverage" Zon into getting him his order immediately. Which created the situation wherein:
a) he could delete the "warning thread" for his own personal gain (which meant that his passion for 'warning others' was a sham) OR
b) he could leave the "warning thread" and not get his bass "faster"

Either way showed a pretty deep lack of moral compass.
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Dave acknowledged that his rhetoric about Zon was sometimes over the top. So is YOUR cynical rhetoric about Dave. Lack of moral compass? Give me a break. :rollno: Wanna talk about leverage? How about "delete your warning thread and you'll get your bass(es)". More leverage was applied but I'm not at liberty to disclose those details.

Dave had every right to be furious at Zon, same as other Zon customers past and present. The reason his warning thread was permitted was because he provided appropriate documentation. I get it: we all got whiplash because of what happened next. Dave was put in a tough situation because Zon did (finally) contact him and promised to ship his bass(es). He's had a long and personal relationship with Joe Zon. He felt guilty because of some of the things he'd said in anger, and thought maybe he'd jumped the gun (though I disagree with the latter).

It's unfortunate that circumstances forced Dave into a false binary choice: "leave your warning thread up or recant it completely". And when I say circumstances, I'm not scapegoating: responsibility belongs to Dave, to Zon, to TB rules.

Bottom line: Dave's human. He has emotions, he made some mistakes, but that does not mean he was lying or that he was thinking only of himself.
 
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Whether you like how Maidenbass went about handling his situation or not, the bottom line is he is another person on the list with other people here who ordered a Zon bass(es) and did not get it(them) when expected. There's no question that he ordered the basses and did not get them yet/when expected.
 
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Fuzzbass said:
Dave acknowledged that his rhetoric about Zon was sometimes over the top. So is YOUR cynical rhetoric about Dave. Lack of moral compass? Give me a break. :rollno: Wanna talk about leverage? How about "delete your warning thread and you'll get your bass(es)". More leverage was applied but I'm not at liberty to disclose those details.

Dave had every right to be furious at Zon, same as other Zon customers past and present. The reason his warning thread was permitted was because he provided appropriate documentation. I get it: we all got whiplash because of what happened next. Dave was put in a tough situation because Zon did (finally) contact him and promised to ship his bass(es). He's had a long and personal relationship with Joe Zon. He felt guilty because of some of the things he'd said in anger, and thought maybe he'd jumped the gun (though I disagree with the latter).

It's unfortunate that circumstances forced Dave into a false binary choice: "leave your warning thread up or recant it completely". And when I say circumstances, I'm not scapegoating: responsibility belongs to Dave, to Zon, to TB rules.

Bottom line: Dave's human. He has emotions, he made some mistakes, but that does not mean he was lying or that he was thinking only of himself.
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Dave did have every right to be furious at not getting his basses.
The reason the warning thread was permitted was NOT because he provided appropriate documentation. I was there. He did not.
Best to drop this rather than trying to rewrite Dave as a martyr.
The bottom line is that Zon still owes some customers basses LONG past their promised date, and that is truly frustrating for those customers. And it is a black mark on Zon, and a potential reason that new customers may choose to order elsewhere.
 
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kesslari said:
Best to drop this...
The bottom line is that Zon still owes some customers basses LONG past their promised date, and that is truly frustrating for those customers. And it is a black mark on Zon, and a potential reason that new customers may choose to order elsewhere.
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+1 this part.
 
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kesslari said:
The reason the warning thread was permitted was NOT because he provided appropriate documentation. I was there. He did not.
Best to drop this rather than trying to rewrite Dave as a martyr.
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Martyr? I've never claimed that Dave was a saint: I've acknowledged his mistakes and never disputed his TB ban. And I assume there were *some* reasons his warning thread was permitted.

Aside from that, we're finding common ground.
 

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