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Ohm/Watts help needed

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The Derwood

Jul 9, 2018
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Good Afternoon,

I have two eminence CA1059s which are 10" drivers with 500 watts and 8 ohms
I'm looking to make another cabinet with a 15" driver also 500 watts and 8 ohms

Q1. Should I run the two tens in parallel or in series
Q2. What power requirements should I look for with the amp head?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Darren
 
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If the 210’s combined are 8 ohms, then just daisy chain the 15 off of it. If the 210’s are total of 4 ohms then they will be louder than the 115 as they will see more power.
 
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The Derwood said:
I have two eminence CA1059s which are 10" drivers with 500 watts and 8 ohms
I'm looking to make another cabinet with a 15" driver also 500 watts and 8 ohms

Q1. Should I run the two tens in parallel or in series
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mmbongo said:
Yeah those do not mix well.
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ThisBass said:
From where did you get this wisdom?
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Killed_by_Death said:
It's pure Physics, the power distribution won't be even.
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With every speaker (two 8 Ohm 10"s and one 8 Ohm 15") wired in parallel the power distribution was equal.
 
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ThisBass said:
Honestly, the cabinet total Ohm number tells nothing about the number of loaded drivers.
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Yeah I'm re-thinking this. It's confusing.

Usually when you see a 2x10 with a 1x15 you have two 16 ohm speakers and one 8 ohm speaker. The Ampeg cabinets I had last year are a perfect example. Each cabinet was 8 ohms. You don't have three 8 ohm speakers, that why I say they don't mix well.
 
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500w for one 10'' driver is highly suspect, not much less for the 15 if it's a full range bass guitar speaker. Looking up specs for the 1059 its RMS is 250w.

Seeing as you have the drivers you may as well build the cabs and see what you get. Eminence give suggested boxes for each driver.

Series or parallel on the tens depends on what you have for amplification.
 
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Strictly they are 250W RMS drivers. Eminence would be worth asking, but there's a 4ohm 300W Ca154 in the same series. If you put the two 10s in parallel and the 15 in series with the pair you'd get a rig capable of 600W, but my rather uninformed look at the numbers suggests those particular 10s might not be the best mix with 15s.

I think the safe (and talkbass conventional ) option would be to get two more of the 10s and build an identical pair of ported 2x10s. Put the drivers in series to make 16ohm cabs and they d run to 1KW and 8ohm.

But your band cultivates a sensible on stage volume a 4ohm 500W 2x10 would be all you'd need. In your place I'd build the 2x10 and see how it goes. You could always find a broken 15 and construct a dummy 15 cab as an cab stand to both get the 10s near ear height and provide the look [grin]. Remove the magnet and you could build the fake cab out of nice cheap and light 4mm ply!
 
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Make or Buy a 1x15 cabinet? I would suggest buying one, especially if power handing and Ohms law is getting the best of you.

Depending on the amp you want to use (and if its 2 Ohm stable) I would get a 4 Ohm 15" cabinet. More power by itself and matches up with the 4 Ohm 2x10 cab (two 2 Ohm in parallel) if you play a 5-string, some sort of crossover/HPF might serve you well on the 2x10 to keep it clean.

What about selling the current 2x10 and getting an 8 Ohm version and an 8 Ohm 1x15? I cant think of a head that wont handle 4 Ohm loads. As far as power requirements, that kinda depends on how loud you are going to be playing... Headroom is a good thing, so I would look for something in the 400-700 Watt RMS neighborhood. Always use RMS power ratings, not peak.

I used to have an 8 Ohm 2x10 and a 4 Ohm 1x15 for a total load of 2.6 Ohms. Worked out well since I was using a 2 Ohm stable Peavey T-Max head.

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FunkHead said:
If the 210’s combined are 8 ohms, then just daisy chain the 15 off of it. If the 210’s are total of 4 ohms then they will be louder than the 115 as they will see more power.
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They will see more power but won't neccessarily be louder.
If each 10 were 8 ohms and it were me I would opt for a capable 8 ohm 15 cab and parallel run the 2 10s in series. You won't get full power from the amp but distribution would lean towards the 15, since I suspect those 10s can't actually handle the power the OP stated.
 
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It's ok man life is easy.

You already have a pair of matching 10s
Wire them in series for 16 ohms

Then buy another pair and build a matching pair of 2x10s
Also in series for 16ohms

Then you have 8ohm load with both cabs in parrallel
 
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BogeyBass said:
It's ok man life is easy.

You already have a pair of matching 10s
Wire them in series for 16 ohms

Then buy another pair and build a matching pair of 2x10s
Also in series for 16ohms

Then you have 8ohm load with both cabs in parrallel
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This is a good plan. Any of the modern gigawatt, I mean 800w, micro amps can give the 8 ohm 410 tower a good push, should be plenty loud with ''only 500w''.

If I am reading between lines properly OP has only bought the two tens so far?
 
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AudioTaper said:
Depending on the amp you want to use (and if its 2 Ohm stable) I would get a 4 Ohm 15" cabinet. More power by itself and matches up with the 4 Ohm 2x10 cab (two 8 Ohm in parallel) if you play a 5-string, some sort of crossover/HPF might serve you well on the 2x10 to keep it clean.
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***BEWARE***
Hooking up a 4 ohm 115 and a 4 ohm 210 in parallel will give you a 2 ohm load not an 8 ohm load and will damage your amp if it has a 4 ohm minimum ohms rating. if his amp will do 2 ohms, he would be fine but he will be putting a 2 ohm load on his amp not an 8 ohm load by hooking two 4 ohm cabs together in a parallel connection (industry standard).

Hooking them up in series would result in an 8 ohm load, but will require a special box or cable to do it.
 
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Rip Van Dan said:
***BEWARE***
Hooking up a 4 ohm 115 and a 4 ohm 210 in parallel will give you a 2 ohm load not an 8 ohm load and will damage your amp if it has a 4 ohm minimum ohms rating. if his amp will do 2 ohms, he would be fine but he will be putting a 2 ohm load on his amp not an 8 ohm load by hooking two 4 ohm cabs together in a parallel connection (industry standard).

Hooking them up in series would result in an 8 ohm load, but will require a special box or cable to do it.
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You are completely correct, and I need to proofread my posts better.
 
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