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Old Guys & 21st Century Gizmos

Would you be a more accomplished player if you had 21st century gizmos?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 22.4%
  • No

    Votes: 76 77.6%

  • Total voters
    98
Not so much regarding signal processing...but things like MP3s, digital trainers, online access to training, tablature, etc. would have been incredibly useful back in the day when I would have had more time to use them. Not to mention Talk Bass.

I worked hard - the old school way - to become a legit player and I did well. I can only imagine how much further I might have gotten with that kind of help.

20 years later, these tools are helping me get my act back together. Without them there's no way I could even dream of a return to playing, what with the way my life is currently structured.
 
Basses, pickups, and amps are MUCH better than when I started in the 70's, I can hear things much better now as opposed to then. The www. is a huge help in that so much (TOO much) info is available than sifting thru GUITAR PLAYER for occasional bass bits. But despite how far all of the technical has come, for me, none of it is a replacement for the '10,000 hours' and me wishing I'd spent a far higher percentage wood-shedding to corral those five-fingers on each hand.
 
I first picked up a bass in '74. As has been stated many times, the quality of the instruments & amps available to us were (unless you could afford big-name stuff) mostly terrible. I distinctly remember the first time I played a Gibson and I was amazed at how 'easy' it was to play. My first half-decent rig was a Sound City valve head and 4x12, I thought I was a rock god.

The quality of 'affordable' kit these days frankly makes me jealous, but I guess fighting against crappy gear made us really have to put the effort in to get a decent sound. As for the sheer amount of information available to young players today from places like this is simply stunning. We had word of mouth, rumour & bull $h!t...

What is a gizmo? Is it one of those gremlin things from that talking picture?
 
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My first poll..... I played and gigged hard thru the late 70’s and the entire decade of the 80’s. Put everything in the attic in 1991. Brought it all down three years ago to play Sundays in church. The digital revolution came while I was away and entirely changed the face of music.

So I been saying these last three years, if I had all these gizmos in the 1970’s, that I would be a virtuoso today. Doing my morning rehearsal early today and I thought about that in real terms.... If I didn’t have to go thru the effort to pick up the record needle ten times over to learn my parts would I have learned my solid groove? Would my ear have become as well trained if I had endless YouTube instructional videos to rely on?... This sort of thing.

So all you guys that learned your chops before the advent of digital crutches came along... Would these gizmos and endless available information have made you a better musician?

I disagree.
Life would be easier in terms of learning from the record the exact notes, and you might have been more creative with some funky noises perhaps... but all that has little effect on how good a player you would be. In fact, I'd argue that in the 70s perhaps you'd be less distracted and did more playing.
At the same time... there's a lot more educational material easily available today, so that's a definite advantage. However, the things that *will* make you a better player were already there in the 70s. So, no... I don't think so. You might have had a bit more 'fun' but the only thing stopping you from becoming really good is your own routine and the effort you put into it, not technology.
 
Hell yea.

Back in the 60s if we wanted to learn a song, phrase or riff we had to buy the sheet music (which was scored for piano so was rarely in the same key as the record), or play the record on a record player and repeatedly lift the needle to the place where you thought the bit you wanted was. You usually had to tune to the record because either you, them or both of you were not in standard tuning.

Now you can download the mp3 from the net, load it into software that allows you to loop a section, slow it down keeping the pitch constant, alter the pitch to the key you want while keeping the speed constant, or any combination of the 3.

Another advance (which is probably of greater use to me) is a handheld recorder to record rehearsals with. (These get edited into individual songs, converted to mp3, and posted on the cloud for the other band members to listen to.) It certainly focuses your mind to discover just how bad that cool riff you played sounds or how far out of tune your (or your drummer's) backing vocals are.

I don't know if you are including class D heads and neo loaded lightweight speaker cabs in your list of gizmos, but if you are they are probably what has enabled this old git to carry on playing way longer than he ever thought possible.

Big plus one to the small recorder point! I use a zoom H1...I think it was $99 10yr ago...record gigs and practice...send it out. Really let's you hear what is working and what isn't
 
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I think it depends on the person. On one side I’d say yes the advancement in technology makes learning easier but at the same time it also creates more distractions. Youtube is a good example. There’s a lot of great educational content on YouTube. But there is some bad information and you can get totally off track and waste away hours of time you could have been making progress with. Really depends on the individual and their ability to focus on the task at hand.
 
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The quality of the gear has improved for sure. As has the overall level of general technical competence due to there now being vastly better educational materials and teaching methods available for bass, as well as ready access to more and better information through the web. But you still have to put the time in.

I think if I had todays gear and resources available when I was first starting out I might have gotten results sooner and improved more quickly than I did. But I don't think those things alone would have made me a better musician.

My older sister is an artist and illustrator. She says learning visual art isn't about training your hand to draw or paint. It's about training your eyes to truly see. Because once you can actually see things, drawing them is a piece of cake.

I think musicianship is like that. It's not about gear, or theory, things like scales or chords. It's about learning to listen and truly hear. And if you're not born with that gift the only way to aquire it is to just keep plugging away until (like bike riding or freestyle swimming) one day it suddenly clicks and you're doing it.

tl:dr - I think the only thing that would have made me a better musician was if I had more time to put into it.
 
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I love technology. I work with technology.

However, technology shoiuld be used for things we can't or shouldn't do.

When it comes to talent amd ability, there are only shortcuts for prodigies. Everyone else has to work the fundamentals to get to the next level.

I fear YouTube videos teaching beginners songs note for note, and generally having access to shortcuts, gets them away from the fundamental too quickly.

Full disclosure: I used to teach lessons to 32 students at a time. I have seen how beginners of all ages progress.... or don't...... and why.
 
If I didn’t have to go thru the effort to pick up the record needle ten times over to learn my parts would I have learned my solid groove? Would my ear have become as well trained if I had endless YouTube instructional videos to rely on?... This sort of thing.

So all you guys that learned your chops before the advent of digital crutches came along... Would these gizmos and endless available information have made you a better musician?

IMO this is a two edged sword. You do indeed posses some of your chops solely because you had to hike barefoot through ten inches of snow, twelve miles to school, uphill both ways, even on Sundays.

I basically came in when this whole internet thing started, so I learned oldschool, but was young enough to embrace the new stuff like a native.

In my humble opinion, nowadays you have it a lot easier to learn specific songs. Watch someone cover them on youtube, download the tabs, and practice to a loop that runs in a lower speed is somewhat more effective than sitting crosslegged in front of the Hifi deck and resetting the needle over and over.
But you won't learn much along the way. Learning a song with the song on LP/CD/Cassette as your only source of information leads to a more complete understanding of the whole thing.
I might even venture as far as claiming that this has something to do with the slow death of jamming discussed in another thread here on tb.

I 'member back in the day, when we would approximate a song we liked. First by ear and memory in the practice room,
followed by some woodshedding at home with the Hifi. Every time we met to practice, someone had some part figured out closer to the original than it was and in the end, we were as close to the original as one can get.

Nowadays, when you agree on a song, everyone goes home and asks the internet how his parts in this song work, the internet explains it bit by bit and on the next band practice, the song is played. Just like that.
 
Having learned in 70's myself learning from vinyl, cassette or music sheets was what we did back then. Yep i agree digital age has made it easier but i still prefer to download songs onto as a set list as i feel i get a better tone when trying to listen for the bass. MP3 just drops out the bass too much for me.
I think in the 70's you picked things up quicker maybe because i was younger but i think we had to pick things up quicker rather than ruin our vinyl albums :D:bassist:
Dave
 
I think started playing bass in 2000 or 2001. Even in that span of time educational tools have expanded by leaps and bounds.

My first tuner was a pitch pipe and later a fork. I did the record player thing for a bit because there wasn't yet online tools to slow down mp3s. Even listening to music on YouTube was out of the question because I had dial up throughout most of high school and only one phone line for the entire household.

I put in a lot of time just playing with people. I made it a point to play with as many people as possible doing as many different kinds of music as I could. I got good but only because I put in a lot of physical hours playing.

Later on in life, all the fancy gizmos and educational stuff really helped me become a better player because there were definitely periods where I didn't have time or resources to have proper lessons.
 
In the realm of rock, rock n roll, country rock, blues etc......................Look at our giants. Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimi Hendrix, Chuck Berry, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards, Clarence White, Ry Cooder, Mary Stuart............long list and that's just guitar.

For the bass, James Jamerson, Duck Dunn, Ron Carter, Larry Graham, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, John Entwistle, Paul McCartney..............long list.

Seem like if anything, these gizmos and endless available information are a disadvantage. Look at our greats. They had none of that crap.

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Is this the Gizmo you speak of? :laugh:

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