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old school tone, but portable

#83
Youngspanion said:
You want loud because of the size of the gig or because of the volume of the band?
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Bit of both, I guess. For the much bigger shows I have an SVT I can bring...but with those gigs/tours there is a van and bandmates to help load in/out.

This would be for those in-town gigs that can sometimes get pretty loud. Really it's more an issue of having it feel right on stage for me and the band. There is almost always PA support so I'm not worried about filling the room...there is just nothing worse than having some amp that doesn't give a nice low-end "bed" for the band to lay on..
it doesn't have to be super super loud, just "full".
 
#84
I've found 112s to be essentially lacking for anything other than monitor support in medium-size rooms or larger (6' radius of throw before lost in the mix). My experience with them has been very good when that's all that was required of them, but in terms of providing some "meat" for the others on stage to feel/hear, I didn't find it adequate. I guess it just depends on how loud "loud" needs to be. Maybe I need to try that out again. The more I write this the less sure of my statement I become.

Carrying two 112s plus your gear bag and bass(es) would get tiring to me. Full hands with potentially awkward motions to not hit the cabinets on the walls. Yum. I would do it but not without the occasional grumble.

Carrying a 12" Scout combo up three flights? Be. my. guest. The tone and flexibility you would get from the Mesa is, undoubtedly, very nice (Motown, blues, rock and/or roll) and throws really, really well.

The filters on the Markbass Little Mark II would, I think, offer you an acceptably good palette of tones from which to choose. I thought it really warm but definitely not wooly. There are pedals for that. Choosing the cabinet that could better accentuate your love for your P Bass would be, to me, in a good 115 (with a tweeter, which can always be turned way down).

But what do I know? I live in Texas.
 
#85
OrionManMatt said:
I've found 112s to be essentially lacking for anything other than monitor support in medium-size rooms or larger (6' radius of throw before lost in the mix). My experience with them has been very good when that's all that was required of them, but in terms of providing some "meat" for the others on stage to feel/hear, I didn't find it adequate. I guess it just depends on how loud "loud" needs to be. Maybe I need to try that out again. The more I write this the less sure of my statement I become.

Carrying two 112s plus your gear bag and bass(es) would get tiring to me. Full hands with potentially awkward motions to not hit the cabinets on the walls. Yum. I would do it but not without the occasional grumble.

Carrying a 12" Scout combo up three flights? Be. my. guest. The tone and flexibility you would get from the Mesa is, undoubtedly, very nice (Motown, blues, rock and/or roll) and throws really, really well.

The filters on the Markbass Little Mark II would, I think, offer you an acceptably good palette of tones from which to choose. I thought it really warm but definitely not wooly. There are pedals for that. Choosing the cabinet that could better accentuate your love for your P Bass would be, to me, in a good 115 (with a tweeter, which can always be turned way down).

But what do I know? I live in Texas.
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The more I think about this the more I think a 112 is pretty much the only option when considering 3 flights of stairs. A 210 cabinet may work better on stage but I'm not sure I'd love to carry one up 3 flights of stairs...
 
#89
pfschim said:
this statement would seem to be pretty self evident. How would a 1x12 be able to match a 2x12 in overall volume unless the comparative efficiencies were way off.

just sayin'
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I mentioned two cabs and only one of them was a 2x12. That would seem to be extremely self evident.
:D

For those unfamiliar with the Schroeder cabs I mentioned, they're much smaller than a "typical" 2x12 (or 12+10;)) because of the slanted baffle. At ~42 lb. IIRC they're similar in weight to a typical 1x12. To me that would make them an option to consider.

:cool:
 
#91
Here's what you can do: Carry your bass in a gig bag and strap it over your back.

Then get the Schroeder Mini12 and Mini10 or two Mini12's. 20 and 17 lbs, respectively. Use one or both as needed. Then you can carry one in each hand.
 
#93
Stumbo said:
Here's what you can do: Carry your bass in a gig bag and strap it over your back.

Then get the Schroeder Mini12 and Mini10 or two Mini12's. 20 and 17 lbs, respectively. Use one or both as needed. Then you can carry one in each hand.
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Where's the head? If he has a Shuttle 6.0 it could fit in the front pocket of his gig bag. I can attest that the Epi 112UL's have plenty of old school tone. :smug:

That's all I have to say on the subject. :)
 
#95
Youngspanion said:
What about the old school tone? Is it in there?
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It seems that 3 flights of stairs may trump "old school tone".
Maybe the Schroeder owner's club can respond to that.

I emailed Dr. Bass [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
and he said that his 115 w/horn (36lbs neo, 600 RMS) would be great for old school, blues and such and handle the low B on a five string. The OP stated that the weight is the problem so he's looking at a 1x12.

Yeah, the Shuttle would fit in the gig bag.

Shuttle 6.0 and Dr. Bass 115 sound like an excellent combo.
Any TBers have that rig?
 
#96
Went through the posts and pulled out the following recommendations and also added a couple of others.

Many of the vendors have cabs that have similar weight/sizes/connector types with different speaker combinations. I attempted to list the lightest ones. Check the vendor's websites for other options. There are new "light weight" products coming out all the time so YMMV. Whether the "old school" tone is there, that is the question.
Note: All wattage is RMS, afaik.

Cabs
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  1. Schroeder Mini12+/horn Neo
  2. EBS Neo 112/horn
    27lbs, 300w, 8ohm, Link Removed​
  3. Euphonic Audio (EA) Whizzy 12(full range)
    29lbs, 200w, 4 ohm(8ohm-special order) [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]​
  4. Epifani UL112/horn
  5. Acme Low B1 (full range-can be used as P.A.),
    31lbs, 175w, 4/8ohms http://www.acmebass.com/​
  6. Bergantino 112 AE112/horn
    31lbs, 300w, 8ohm Link Removed​
  7. Ampeg Portabass 2x10/horn
  8. Eden Neo XLT 1x12/horn
    32lbs, 250w, 8ohm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]​
  9. GenzBenz NeoX 112/horn
    33lbs, 300w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed​
  10. Dr. Bass 112 Neo/horn (115/36lbs-recommended for 5 string)
    34lbs, 500w, 4/8ohm http://www.drbasscabs.com/​
  11. Markbass Traveler 121/horn (orange cone)
    35lbs,400w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed​
  12. AccuGroove Tri 112L
    38lbs, 400w, 8ohm http://www.accugroove.com/​
  13. Earcandy Sovereign 1x12 Bass (no horn)
    38lbs, 500w, 4/8/16ohm, many options [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]​
  14. Gallien-Krueger Neo 112
    39lbs, 300w, 8ohm Link Removed​
  15. Aguilar GS 112NT (no horn)
    39lbs, 300w, 8ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]​
  16. Avatar SB112 Neo LF /horn
  17. Schroeder 1210 (1x12+1x10, horn)
    40lbs, 850w, 4/8ohm, 102dB http://www.schroedercabinets.com/bass.htm​
  18. Bag End S12-D (no horn)
    41lbs, 200w, 8ohm, red carpet http://www.bagend.com/​
  19. PhilJones Bass PJB6 (6x5") (no horn)
    46lbs, 300w, 6ohm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]​
  20. Glockenklang UNO Deluxe 1x15/horn
    46lbs, 300w, 4/8 ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]​
  21. Hartke 115TP (no horn)
    51lbs, 150w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed​
  22. Fender 115 Pro w/horn
    64lbs, 350w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed​
  23. Carvin BR615 115 w/horn
    64lbs, 600w, 2 0hms
    Link Removed​
  24. Flite 1x15
    call for info Invalid Link Removed​

Heads
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  1. EA Micro 300 2.3lbs, 300w@4ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
  2. GB Shuttle 3.0T 2.75lbs, 175w@8ohms, 300w@4ohms Invalid Link Removed
  3. GB Shuttle 6.0 3.75lbs, 375w/8ohm, 600w/4ohm Invalid Link Removed
  4. Eden WTX-260 3.8lbs, 180w@8ohms, 260w@4ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
  5. Markbass LM II 6.39 lbs, 300w,8ohms, 500rms@4ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
  6. Mesa Walkabout 13lbs, 300w@8ohms http://www.mesaboogie.com/Reviews/BassPlayer-Scout/BassPlayer-Scout.htm
  7. SWR 17lbs, 350w@4ohms Invalid Link Removed

Combos
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GenzBenz Shuttle Combo 6.0 12T (1x12) 32lbs, 375w@8ohms,600w@4 ohms, head can be removed (cabinet = about 29lbs)
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Mesa Walkabout Scout (1X12) 50lbs, 300w@8ohms, head can be removed, cab=about 37lbs
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Reviews/BassPlayer-Scout/BassPlayer-Scout.htm

EA iAMP 200c (1x12) full range, 44lbs, 200w [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Ampeg BA112 Bass Combo (no horn) 39lbs, 50w http://www.ampeg.com/products/bassamp/ba112/index.html

Roland CB100 Combo (11.81 inch (30cm) w/horn) 37lbs, 100w http://rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=662

SWR LA 12 w/horn 39lbs, 60w, 8ohms Invalid Link Removed
 
#97
pfschim said:
I must have missed where anyone busted anyone else's chops on this particular thread. And Liam's specifically. I see his opinions as very balanced and not at all pushy.

So, having said that first ..... :hiding:

I get where an endorser has the right to do what the endorsed manufacturer expects .. put positive messages out on the gear they endorse. That's obviously one of the reasons for the endorsement game. It's also the reason for the TB disclosure rule and I support that totally.

BUT, I think that an endorser who repeatedly chimes in on a thread to keep a positive spin going in a discussion that has a basic questioning or negative vibe to it, is rightly going to have to expect some flack (should be polite and professional though) from the general audience here on TB. I feel that most player here come for good info without any salesmanship or bias. It's sometimes a fine line I know.

I mean, after all, an endorser is fundamentally biased by way of the endorsement deal. So, their opinion is going to reflect that bias, and some folks don't appreciate bias. Same is true of members who work for a particular manufacturer. While it's good that they appear here and represent their stuff and offer factual replies and support, it's also pretty well understood that they are biased .. naturally ... towards their own products.

anyway, Liam, hope you don't feel like anyone took a shot at you here.

and JimmyM, while not an official endorser, you have certainly been waay solidly behind MB gear .. and in some cases, got some grief for a pretty aggressive (what!, not JimmyM :D) and fairly one way view of this manufacturers stuff.

bias is tricky

hope everyone has a good Memorial Day - peace
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I don't feel attacked at all. There have been other times, in other threads, from other TB'ers, where I have, but not here.

However, just out of curiosity, since I'm no longer a Genz Benz endorser, if I state the same things which I stated while I *was* an endorser, do they somehow now have more validity?

How does this work now? :ninja:

Cheers,
Liam
 
#100
Awesome work on collating all that info!!!

One thing on the Genz Benz Neox112t. The website says 37 pounds, but this year's catalog says 33. I had two of them, one from a year ago and one from about 6 weeks ago. As some of you know, I've lately been forced to sell almost all my gear. Yesterday, I went to Fedex to have them pack and ship these two Neox112t's to the buyer. The older one weighed exactly 37 pounds, and the new one weighed exactly 33. Cool that the cab is a little lighter now. And cool that the specs were genuine ... my Eden D112XLT's weighed 45 pounds rather than the advertised 38 (oh, and the Edens are not neo cabs, by the way ... Eden has neo versions on the way, though, I think).

Just thought I'd throw that out there, since I just had the two cabs weighed "officially" ...

Thanks again for the info ... might make a good sticky!

Cheers,
Liam

Stumbo said:
Went through the posts and pulled out the following recommendations.

Kept it under 50lbs for cabs. Many of the vendors have cabs that have similar weight/sizes/connector types with different speaker combinations. I attempted to list the lightest ones. There are new "light weight" products coming out all the time so YMMV.

Cabs.
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EA Whizzy 12(full range) 29lbs, 200w, 4ohm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Epifani UL112/horn 30lbs, 300w, 8ohm http://www.epifani.com/products/club112.php
Ampeg Portabass 2x10/horn 32lbs, 400w,4ohm http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?doc_id=98636&sku=600008
Dr. Bass 112 Neo/horn (115/36lbs) 34lbs, 500w, 4/8ohm http://www.drbasscabs.com/
Markbass Traveler 121/Horn (orange cone) 35lbs,400w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed
Bergantino 112 AE112 36lbs, 300w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed
GenzBenz NeoX 112w/horn 37lbs, 300w, 8ohm Invalid Link Removed
Eden Neo XLT 1x12 w/horn 38lbs, 250w, 8ohm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Aguilar GS 112NT 39lbs, 300w, 8ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Avatar SB112 Neo LF 39lbs, 250w, 4/8ohm http://www.avatarspeakers.com/sB112.htm
Schroeder 1210 light (Mini-12,20lbs) 40lbs, 850w, 4/8ohm http://www.schroedercabinets.com/bass.htm
Bag End S12-D (no horn) 41lbs, 200w, 8ohm, red carpet http://www.bagend.com/
PhilJones Bass PJB6 (6x5) 46lbs, 300w, 6ohm [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Flite 1x15 no info on "lite" cabs Invalid Link Removed

Heads
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EA Micro 300 2.3lbs, 300w@4ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Shuttle 3.0T 2.75lbs, 175w@8ohms, 300w@4ohms Invalid Link Removed
Eden WTX-260 3.8lbs, 180w@8ohms, 260w@4ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Markbass LM II 6.39 lbs, 300w,8ohms, 500rms@4ohms [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Mesa Walkabout 13lbs, 300w@8ohms http://www.mesaboogie.com/Reviews/BassPlayer-Scout/BassPlayer-Scout.htm

Combos
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GenzBenz Shuttle Combo 6.0 12T (1x12) 32lbs, 375w@8ohms,600w@4 ohms, head can be removed (cabinet = about 29lbs)
Invalid Link Removed

Mesa Walkabout Scout 50lbs, 300w@8ohms, head can be removed, cab=about 37lbs
http://www.mesaboogie.com/Reviews/BassPlayer-Scout/BassPlayer-Scout.htm

PM with corrections/additions
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