Once again, a 410 + 115 thread.

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by el murdoque, Jul 28, 2021.

  1. el murdoque

    el murdoque

    Mar 10, 2013
    Hi good people of Talkbass.

    I'd like to ask once again why, even in this educated age we live in, the 4x10 + 1x15 cabinet stack is still a thing.

    I always thought this came from the dark ages. "The 410 is for punch while the 115 brings the lows" was what was rooted in the minds. My thesis was that this came from the fact that everyone had big a$$ hifi speakers at home back then - where the big woofers did just that while the smaller speakers in the middle did the mids and the weird contraptions on top were somehow producing the highs.
    Since HiFi speakers are not a thing any more and those that still are usually look part modern art part speaker and have woofers in unusual sizes in unusual places, that can't be an influence any more.

    What else makes people choose the uneven couple?
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  2. Fun Size Nick

    Fun Size Nick

    Feb 21, 2006
    London, UK
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  3. RattleSnack


    Sep 22, 2011
    I guess sometimes people just like how it sounds. There's no arguing with that, if you like it, than it works for you.
  4. cassanova


    Sep 4, 2000
    I could be wrong here, but maybe it has something to do with the specs manufacturers are printing? I'm on the market for another cab to pair with my Ampeg PN210, so I'm just going to use the PN series as the scapegoat. On paper, the PN115 is rated at 35 - 18. Their PN410 at 45 - 18, so it appears the 115 gets more low end. Just play whatever you think sounds best regardless mixing and matching.
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  5. Jaco who?

    Jaco who?

    May 20, 2008
    What makes you think we live in an educated age? The number of bass players that frequent talk bass is highly overestimated; I'd also guess there are many members here that never go to the amps section, read info about power distribution, and never pay attention to frequency specs. If you're not a fellow amp nerd, it likely holds no interest to you.
  6. chris_b


    Jun 2, 2007
    Our backlines have nothing to do with education and everything to do with our preferences, what we hear and the playing situation we are in. I have mixed 210's and 115's and 112's and 210's. I've been told on TB that those combinations won't work!! I was there. . . . they did. Those rigs sounded very good.

    If cabs were designed to be mixed then that's OK. Mesa Subway and Bergs definitely fall into that category. My guess is that there are others.
  7. Lobster11

    Lobster11 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    To be clear, I don't think anyone has said that mixed cabs "won't work." The clear consensus seems to be that mixed cabs (which were not designed to be used together) might or might not sound good together. The advantage of choosing matched cabs is that they will almost certainly sound good together.
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  8. beans-on-toast


    Aug 7, 2008
    When that combination is designed to work together, it works. Go with whatever sounds good.
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  9. WillyW

    WillyW l’art pour l’art, fonction de baise Supporting Member

    Dec 10, 2019
    And the nice thing about the interwebz is you can pick and choose your own truth.
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  10. 6thplanet

    6thplanet Supporting Member

    Aug 17, 2019
    Wait....Hifi speakers aren't a thing anymore? Lies!!!
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  11. 31HZ

    31HZ Glad to be here Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 26, 2006
    Central VA, USA
    I thought that Leo perfected the 410/115 stack in 1956, no? Why mess with perfection?
  12. dbsfgyd1


    Jun 11, 2012
    Mascoutah, IL
    While the numbers say the 115 cab will produce more low, more than likely the 410 cab will create more decibels, assuming the similar cab efficiency, which may over power the 1-15 cab to the point you can’t here it. Of course, if you have a stereo power amp that would not be an issue.
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  13. JeezyMcNuggles

    JeezyMcNuggles Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2018
    Santa Maria, CA
    I suck, but nobody really notices
    You can't over power the pro neo series. It's impossible.
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  14. Jeff Scott

    Jeff Scott Rickenbacker guru..........

    Apr 11, 2006
    Why, in the educated age we live in, do people still smoke tobacco? ;)
  15. slagbass

    slagbass Supporting Member

    Apr 5, 2005
    Here - hold my beer.......
  16. arbiterusa


    Sep 24, 2015
    (looks at 410/115 stack)
    (looks at college degree on wall)
    (walks away from troll thread, puts el murdoque on "ignore" on the way out)
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  17. JeezyMcNuggles

    JeezyMcNuggles Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2018
    Santa Maria, CA
    I suck, but nobody really notices
    Okay, I'll keep it safe for you. You're probably gonna need a drink when you finally give up.

    And an aspirin.
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  18. 31HZ

    31HZ Glad to be here Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Feb 26, 2006
    Central VA, USA
    I initially went straight to the cheap snarky answer, but the real answer is, "because some folks like the sound of it."

    And that's the only reason that anyone ever needs to justify their choices in gear. :thumbsup:
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  19. coyote1


    Mar 23, 2012
    Yep. Exactly.

    On a tech level, I can see the argument against putting one amp into those two cabinets. But if you bi-amp, and set each amp-cab as its own thing and then blend them together to taste, well…. Aren’t you then doing what every PA system does?

    In any event, this is music. And in music, sound has to rule everything else. So with any/all bass rigs, if you like the sound and your band likes the sound and your audience likes the sound, the “tech level” is meaningless.
  20. jdthebassman

    jdthebassman play to live live to play

    I used to have that setup but I got sick of lugging around all that heavy gear so I bought a audiokinesis 1505 cab nothing else compares.