Once again, a 410 + 115 thread.

[JeezyMcNuggles]

I could be wrong here, but maybe it has something to do with the specs manufacturers are printing? I'm on the market for another cab to pair with my Ampeg PN210, so I'm just going to use the PN series as the scapegoat. On paper, the PN115 is rated at 35 - 18. Their PN410 at 45 - 18, so it appears the 115 gets more low end. Just play whatever you think sounds best regardless mixing and matching.

Yes, two of them would get more low end. But then again, two of the 410s would blow that away.

Like my guitar player,

I was thinking of picking up a couple Rumble 15s, just for a change. He told me that what I needed was 115 to add to my 410. Because 2 15s would just be rumbly with no definition. I needed a 15 for low end, and a 410 for clarity. I told him, "bro, you'd be surprised. I've had 15s before. They aren't dark dude. They're just...different. My 410 pumps way more low end than any 15."

"It's simple physics! A 15 inch speaker puts out far more bass than a 10 inch speaker. It's common knowledge!"

"No, thats a common misconception. There's 4 of them bro."

" that doesn't matter!"

"You don't understand, and that's cool dude. I'll show you if I buy them. You'll be surprised"

"I don't understand!? Hahahaha. Look up speaker specs right now!"

"Check it out dude, the 410hlf is like the lowest rated cabinet on the market, and it has four 10inch speakers in it."

"Well, that cab must've been custom designed for that, with custom speakers."

"They all are. All of them."

Guitarists


I ended up going with two 212s again. But, that's besides the point. Speaker specs will tel you what one can do, on paper. They can't tell you what 7 more of them will do. Or what either will sound.

 

[micahwc]

Yes, two of them would get more low end. But then again, two of the 410s would blow that away.

Like my guitar player,

I was thinking of picking up a couple Rumble 15s, just for a change. He told me that what I needed was 115 to add to my 410. Because 2 15s would just be rumbly with no definition. I needed a 15 for low end, and a 410 for clarity. I told him, "bro, you'd be surprised. I've had 15s before. They aren't dark dude. They're just...different. My 410 pumps way more low end than any 15."

"It's simple physics! A 15 inch speaker puts out far more bass than a 10 inch speaker. It's common knowledge!"

"There's 4 of them bro."

" that doesn't matter!"

"You don't understand, and that's cool dude. I'll show you if I buy them. You'll be surprised"

"I don't understand!? Hahahaha. Look up speaker specs right now!"

"Check it out dude, the 410hlf is like the lowest rated cabinet on the market, and it has four 10inch speakers in it."

"Well, that cab must've been custom designed for that, with custom speakers."

"They all are. All of them."

Guitarists


I ended up going with two 212s again. But, that's besides the point. Speaker specs will tel you what one can do, on paper. They can't tell you what 7 more of them will do.

I run 2 Rumble 115's. I've had no issues.

 

[agedhorse]

You can't over power the pro neo series. It's impossible.

Define "impossible".

Every speaker can be over-powered and damaged this way, happens all the time.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

Define "impossible".

Every speaker can be over-powered and damaged this way, happens all the time.

Impossible : not possible.

Yes horse, nothing is "impossible"

Highly unlikely, not achievable by conventional methods, but possible none the less.

It still wouldn't happen.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

You can't over power the pro neo series. It's impossible.

I sure hope that was in jest…lol

 

[DJ Bebop]

What makes you think we live in an educated age? The number of bass players that frequent talk bass is highly overestimated; I'd also guess there are many members here that never go to the amps section, read info about power distribution, and never pay attention to frequency specs. If you're not a fellow amp nerd, it likely holds no interest to you.

This is something you can see in the professional realm of bass as well. There are pro players that don't know what they are using or why, and can be talked into using anything. That same players can play the heck of the the bass but, I wouldn't want to follow their equipment choices or go to them for advice on equipment. Bass lessons though

 

[Manticore]

It likely comes down to the same thing that drives people to us a dedicated bass amp at a gig...it's what they want.

 

[Holdsg]

I have a 410
I have a 15
I have a 12
Of which I use singly or paired.
All interchangeable and I do so regularly depending on the gig and room.
My amp head goes down to 2.67 ohm.
My ears love the combinations
Life is gooood

 

[yodedude2]

(looks at 410/115 stack)
(looks at college degree on wall)
(walks away from troll thread, puts el murdoque on "ignore" on the way out)

hey, you forgot!:

(smokes cigarette outside)

 

[logdrum]

2 1X15s is the new 4X10 + 1X15

 

[juancaminos]

My 210 plus 115 set up was purely through necessity for lack of a better term. I've gone on and on about my experience and experimentation with 210 cabinets alone. But 410 has always made me happy as well as 610 and 410 + 410 stack.

Since getting old, sore and weak I joined the Rumble Club just when the pandemic caused shortages came into play. I bought a Rumble 500 combo with the infamous 210 cabinet. My plan from the very beginning was to get a 210 extension cabinet for a 210 stack as is the latest trend. I ordered a 210 cabinet but they were on back order until August so I searched stores to find the one and only Rumble extension cabinet in my area...a Rumble 115. I can honestly say that I could never get used to 210 Rumble by itself but with the 115 + 210 stack I am satisfied.

When the 210 cabinet came in I couldn't wait to try it. Low and behold I find that I prefer the 210 + 115 over the 210 + 210 stack (I call them mini stacks)! Further I can connect my old Eden WT400 to the 210 + 115 stack and I am very happy. So in a way this was an accidental discovery on my part.

 

[TTA]

I sure hope that was in jest…lol

I can confirm it is impossible without a doubt

 

[musicman556]

Since HiFi speakers are not a thing any more

Don't tell that to my desk buddies!

I have eschewed the 410 due to the fact that speaker technology has come so far that a 210 can often do the job. I do, however, still pair that with a 115 when I can. I love my Subway 115/210 stack. It's not about the frequency extension, but rather the voicing of the 2 cabs working so well together.

 

[TTA]

Don't tell that to my desk buddies!
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I have eschewed the 410 due to the fact that speaker technology has come so far that a 210 can often do the job. I do, however, still pair that with a 115 when I can. I love my Subway 115/210 stack. It's not about the frequency extension, but rather the voicing of the 2 cabs working so well together.

I also like the 2x10 and 1x15 combo. Portable and effective.

 

[Lobster11]

Tall stack of matching 2x10s for me.

 

[2112]

(looks at 410/115 stack)
(looks at college degree on wall)
(walks away from troll thread, puts el murdoque on "ignore" on the way out)

I used up to three TE 410+118 stacks as a backline for years, sounded great. I still use one of those stacks in my practice space, sounds great.

What am I driving it with? A Crown xls2502 stereo amp with integrated crossover. Das it mane.

 

[MattZilla]

I guess sometimes people just like how it sounds.

How many of those people had two matching 410s and said “Hmmm, that doesn’t sound right. I’ll buy a same brand & model line 115, swap one of the 410s with it and see if that solves the deficiency.”

Pardon the cocky guess, but I’ll bet it was fewer than one hundred people ever.

I’d also bet that most of the mismatchers started with one 410 and found it wasn’t “full sounding” (loud enough) and changed three things simultaneously by adding the one non-matched cab ending with a net benefit to the loudness then called the experiment a success.

Doesn’t matter to me. Four 215 cabs is always the only thing to use for any show larger than a coffee house.

 

[chadds]

And the nice thing about the interwebz is you can pick and choose your own truth.

That's not true!

 

[chadds]

This is something you can see in the professional realm of bass as well. There are pro players that don't know what they are using or why, and can be talked into using anything. That same players can play the heck of the the bass but, I wouldn't want to follow their equipment choices or go to them for advice on equipment. Bass lessons though

Sometimes they actually don't sound great live. Sometimes non pros don't sound great live. They think they do.

 

[Stewie]

I ran an SVT 15E and a 410HE together. They sounded great, because the 15 was ported, it had better lows than the 410. I traded the 410 because it was way too heavy to carry up stairs. Right now I am selling the 15Es because I acquired an amazing 15 that can do it all, by itself. Real bass players prefer 15s chuckle chuckle chuckle