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Once again, a 410 + 115 thread.

#43
I already had these two cabs for different applications. I later recognized a need for a slightly larger stack without having to overkill with my 6x10. So I bought a second speaker cable and tried it out, and WHAM! I loved it. If I had started from scratch building a two cab stack I would have definitely looked only at matched cabs, based entirely on commentary I have observed online. The two different voicings complement each other well, I'm glad I tried it.
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TB'ers like to think of themselves as more educated than their follow my guitar hero guitar players. But really they're not. If someone makes a big splash playing through a 1967 transitor radio, they'll all be after that too.
 
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swarfrat said:
TB'ers like to think of themselves as more educated than their follow my guitar hero guitar players. But really they're not. If someone makes a big splash playing through a 1967 transitor radio, they'll all be after that too.
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Huh. Geez, I never knew that.
 
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Boy haven’t played a 410 and 115 stack since the 90’s, I then went down to a SWR 610, then down to two BRX210, then down to two 112, now just one 210 does 90% of my gigs… just a monitor on big stages and even outdoor parking lot gig with no PA support.. same tone just smaller package.
 
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el murdoque said:
Hi good people of Talkbass.

I'd like to ask once again why, even in this educated age we live in, the 4x10 + 1x15 cabinet stack is still a thing.

I always thought this came from the dark ages. "The 410 is for punch while the 115 brings the lows" was what was rooted in the minds. My thesis was that this came from the fact that everyone had big a$$ hifi speakers at home back then - where the big woofers did just that while the smaller speakers in the middle did the mids and the weird contraptions on top were somehow producing the highs.
Since HiFi speakers are not a thing any more and those that still are usually look part modern art part speaker and have woofers in unusual sizes in unusual places, that can't be an influence any more.

What else makes people choose the uneven couple?
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It would kind of make sense on some level - after all, this is basically what we do with PA equipment - but the reason it doesn't make sense is because bass cabinets are tuned for bass. It's possible that in the older days, before we had all the modern equipment that we do now, that stuff like this made more sense simply because sound reproduction simply wasn't as good as it is today. So yeah, it might have made sense to use a crossover to send lower frequencies to a larger driver where it could do good work in its powerband (regardless of it's frequency range on paper) and do the same for the higher frequencies, similar to what we do with PA systems using subs and tops.

These days, it barely makes sense to have a halfstack, much less a fullstack, for most gigs - paired or unpaired. Those who do it probably just like the sound.
 
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el murdoque said:
Hi good people of Talkbass.

I'd like to ask once again why, even in this educated age we live in, the 4x10 + 1x15 cabinet stack is still a thing.

I always thought this came from the dark ages. "The 410 is for punch while the 115 brings the lows" was what was rooted in the minds. My thesis was that this came from the fact that everyone had big a$$ hifi speakers at home back then - where the big woofers did just that while the smaller speakers in the middle did the mids and the weird contraptions on top were somehow producing the highs.
Since HiFi speakers are not a thing any more and those that still are usually look part modern art part speaker and have woofers in unusual sizes in unusual places, that can't be an influence any more.

What else makes people choose the uneven couple?
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This won't help your quest in searching for a definitive answer but here it goes:

Buy what ever the poop you want (you as people in general) - every school costs money, and even among those students, many don't even care and look at their new gear in awe, completely unaware of the fact that phasing exists, happily inducing chaos.

To those very people I say - viva la vida, ignorance is indeed bliss.

You can't get hurt by it if you don't even know what the problem is in the first place, right?

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MattZilla said:
How many of those people had two matching 410s and said “Hmmm, that doesn’t sound right. I’ll buy a same brand & model line 115, swap one of the 410s with it and see if that solves the deficiency.”

Pardon the cocky guess, but I’ll bet it was fewer than one hundred people ever.

I’d also bet that most of the mismatchers started with one 410 and found it wasn’t “full sounding” (loud enough) and changed three things simultaneously by adding the one non-matched cab ending with a net benefit to the loudness then called the experiment a success.

Doesn’t matter to me. Four 215 cabs is always the only thing to use for any show larger than a coffee house.
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Thank you for that line of thought. It did not occur to me, but I wholeheartedly agree.
 
#55
musicman556 said:
Don't tell that to my desk buddies!
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ficelles said:
I know!!! I'm sitting here looking at the speakers I bought in '86 thinking "these don't look dated" and bam!
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Yeah, well. You seem to enjoy music at home in the way it was meant to be enjoyed.
I'm guilty of that pleasure, too. But take a look around. Joe Average's living room does not have a HiFi deck in the corner with a huge CD/LP rack beside, framed by two big speakers. Maybe one or two of those Sonos abominations sitting in the bookshelf (are bookshelves still a thing?).

I've had a lengthy discussion with the SO when she moved in. My ugly cabinets were in the way of designing a pleasant living room. And those Neumann Monitors I keep at my computer desk (the computer has a huge screen and doubles as Netflix machine) were an eyesore, too.
We tried one of those 'invisible' alternatives. Not a cheap one, too. That ended it. The big speakers are here to stay. And since their value has been credited for, they are not that ugly any more (in her eyes, I always liked them).
 
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el murdoque said:
why, even in this educated age we live in, the 4x10 + 1x15 cabinet stack is still a thing.
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Pings Bass said:
I had a mixed cab rig in the 80s, but it was bi-amped
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see that’s the thing. Back in the uneducated age, we had bi-amping. That’s where there are two separate amplifiers inside the head, with an adjustable crossover, so the one amp handled high frequencies, and the other handled low frequencies. In this scenario the 4x10 would get the highs, and the 15 would get the lows. Your job then, was simply to find the best crossover frequency, then balance between the two outputs for a good overall sound. In this scenario, much like Tri-amp PA systems, it made perfect sense to have different speaker arrays for highs and lows. The trouble started when people started pumping the full range amp signal through both cabinets. That was when you were subject to the potential ill effects of mismatched frequency responses, power handling capabilities, and phasing issues resulting from overlapping frequency dispersion to multiple partners.

Plus, as has been mentioned before, it just looked really cool behind you.
 
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