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Order of effects
- Thread starter Stumbo
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- Apr 20, 2009
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- Endorsements: your name could be here, Mr. Sadowsky!
I just got it so grain of salt - but it's a big improvement on the Strobostomp Classic! The big display is very nice, and I find my tuning is a lot quicker because of it. I'd recommend it.
I just experimented with my order of pedals. My findings:
- I agree with you that the compressor works better after the octaver than before it.
- The octaver (which I only use for octave down) after the hpf, sounds to me like having no hpf. The octaver adds all the muddiness the hpf just removed. So for me, hpf after the octaver.
- I have a TC Electronic Tube Pilot, which (when used on bass) is infamous for losing the low end. But I still like it. Now I find it loses far less lows when placed immediately behind the hpf.
So now my order becomes:
Tuner - Octaver - Compressor - HPF - Tube Pilot
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I'm trying to understand.. (this probably goes to the point of the 'how come the big players haven't made one' thread.. how do you sell something that doesn't roll off the tongue hehe)
So i used a HPF for a full gig last night (rather than just noodling around and experimenting). I heard the difference it makes, but didn't seem incredibly useful (to me). I've already built my tone to cut through 3 different guitars (stock tele, strat with full HB, and a PRS) and a 26" bass drum.. the HPF would seem useful for that in helping kill potential mud, but for me it was almost overkill. If I hadn't already done the work to make it blend, maybe that's the goal?
Is HPF LPF usefulness highly dependent on your normal sound to begin with? And what gear you're using (combos)? My desired sound is pretty snarly midrangey to begin with.. I'm about as far as from low dub style stuff as one can get. All of my amps are 800-2000w and my smallest cab (used last night) is still a decently massive 2x12. (more regularly using 4 1x15s or an 8x10)
Bass -> Wireless -> Zoom B3N (B7K -> SuperChorus -> OptoComp -> HPF) -> DI (to house) -> Amp (to cab)
So i used a HPF for a full gig last night (rather than just noodling around and experimenting). I heard the difference it makes, but didn't seem incredibly useful (to me). I've already built my tone to cut through 3 different guitars (stock tele, strat with full HB, and a PRS) and a 26" bass drum.. the HPF would seem useful for that in helping kill potential mud, but for me it was almost overkill. If I hadn't already done the work to make it blend, maybe that's the goal?
Is HPF LPF usefulness highly dependent on your normal sound to begin with? And what gear you're using (combos)? My desired sound is pretty snarly midrangey to begin with.. I'm about as far as from low dub style stuff as one can get. All of my amps are 800-2000w and my smallest cab (used last night) is still a decently massive 2x12. (more regularly using 4 1x15s or an 8x10)
Bass -> Wireless -> Zoom B3N (B7K -> SuperChorus -> OptoComp -> HPF) -> DI (to house) -> Amp (to cab)
I like to experiment--although some general ideas have been given.
Personally I often play with my bass & a volume pedal, or volume pedal & Chorus.
But if I play with all the pedals I use for bass here's the order
Octave pedal>Volume pedal>Autowah>Chorus>EQ
Personally I often play with my bass & a volume pedal, or volume pedal & Chorus.
But if I play with all the pedals I use for bass here's the order
Octave pedal>Volume pedal>Autowah>Chorus>EQ
Late to the party... is there any punch left?
Underwood (piezo) > PZed-Pre with built in HPF [bypass/80Hz/200Hz] always on, usually 80Hz & fairly often 200Hz > rest of chain.
Some gigs I'd go light with just my Turbo Tuner > FDeck HPF-Pre Series 3.
For nearly the past year I've been gigging more regularly and trying a minimalist approach so it's been the aforementioned Turbo and HPF-Pre 3, HPF set I guess about 80–120 — The Radial at 80Hz was just enough, but 200Hz always seemed a tad too much, FDeck lets you dial in the sweet spot, which varies room-to-room.
I have put the FDeck at the end of my chain after the PZed-Pre's HPF, done that 2 or 3 times maybe, might be time to revisit that dual HPF hijinx as an always-on scenario.
Here's an interesting proposition for the Dubsters out there... Try an HPF on your signal, it may surprise you how much
MORE DUBBY you can get with better note definition. Your ears hear the harmonic content without the super-low fundamental,
but the brain takes those harmonics and "fills in" the fundamental. Like when sometimes our brains auto-edit the
the content like when reading these posts from line-to-line. See what I did there? (maybe not depending on your screen
resolution, device your surfing on etc.). Anyway, your speaker driver is working less hard, you've seemingly not lost any low
end, instead your dubby notes have a clarity of pitch that is lost without the HPF... These are my findings, at any rate, but
I'm not a full-on super-duper-dubster.
Underwood (piezo) > PZed-Pre with built in HPF [bypass/80Hz/200Hz] always on, usually 80Hz & fairly often 200Hz > rest of chain.
Some gigs I'd go light with just my Turbo Tuner > FDeck HPF-Pre Series 3.
For nearly the past year I've been gigging more regularly and trying a minimalist approach so it's been the aforementioned Turbo and HPF-Pre 3, HPF set I guess about 80–120 — The Radial at 80Hz was just enough, but 200Hz always seemed a tad too much, FDeck lets you dial in the sweet spot, which varies room-to-room.
I have put the FDeck at the end of my chain after the PZed-Pre's HPF, done that 2 or 3 times maybe, might be time to revisit that dual HPF hijinx as an always-on scenario.
Here's an interesting proposition for the Dubsters out there... Try an HPF on your signal, it may surprise you how much
MORE DUBBY you can get with better note definition. Your ears hear the harmonic content without the super-low fundamental,
but the brain takes those harmonics and "fills in" the fundamental. Like when sometimes our brains auto-edit the
the content like when reading these posts from line-to-line. See what I did there? (maybe not depending on your screen
resolution, device your surfing on etc.). Anyway, your speaker driver is working less hard, you've seemingly not lost any low
end, instead your dubby notes have a clarity of pitch that is lost without the HPF... These are my findings, at any rate, but
I'm not a full-on super-duper-dubster.
I was running
Bass->Tuner->Comp->EQ->EH Fuzz->EH Vibrato/Chorus->DI->board and/or amp
Both EH pedals developed problems after warranty ran out, and I wasn't enamored enough with either to repair them. Sad, because with guitar, I never had a problem with an EH pedal.
I currently run
Bass->Tuner->Comp->EQ->Chorus->DI->board and/or amp
I need to get another OD (probably before the chorus) and a volume pedal (just before DI).
I also may get an A/B box for switching between two EQs.
I had played with chorus before distortion, but like having all the extra harmonics into the chorus.
I also miss the vibrato.
Bass->Tuner->Comp->EQ->EH Fuzz->EH Vibrato/Chorus->DI->board and/or amp
Both EH pedals developed problems after warranty ran out, and I wasn't enamored enough with either to repair them. Sad, because with guitar, I never had a problem with an EH pedal.
I currently run
Bass->Tuner->Comp->EQ->Chorus->DI->board and/or amp
I need to get another OD (probably before the chorus) and a volume pedal (just before DI).
I also may get an A/B box for switching between two EQs.
I had played with chorus before distortion, but like having all the extra harmonics into the chorus.
I also miss the vibrato.
Currently I've got 2 boards that each have a Broughton L/HP last before hitting the front of an amp. Though I know some people do, I've never even considered putting them anywhere else in the chain.
Less essential using my Genz Benz Shuttle or Streamliner (I know the Shuttle has a built in fixed HPF, not sure about the Streamliner), but both of them have pretty flexible tonal control.
Their most beneficial when running thru the '74 V4B
Less essential using my Genz Benz Shuttle or Streamliner (I know the Shuttle has a built in fixed HPF, not sure about the Streamliner), but both of them have pretty flexible tonal control.
Their most beneficial when running thru the '74 V4B
The Streamliner does have an HPF. Fixed at 30 hz. Probably the same as the Shuttle.
I'm still wondering about LPF/HPF location. My current set up is:
Bass -> Shure GLX -> LPF/HPF -> Compressor -> Eq -> OD -> Reverb -> DI
Not sure whether I should leave my LPF/HPF where it is or before/after reverb (before DI) or not.... will have to play around and see what I like...
Bass -> Shure GLX -> LPF/HPF -> Compressor -> Eq -> OD -> Reverb -> DI
Not sure whether I should leave my LPF/HPF where it is or before/after reverb (before DI) or not.... will have to play around and see what I like...
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I goes it depends what you're doing with the EQ. No sense putting it before if you're adding significant highs/lows back afterwards.
Yea thought about this too... MXR M81's eq points for bass and treble are 40Hz, 4kHz and I'm not setting my HPF/LPF around those frequencies(no reason to filter out frequencies that I actually want to use).
Yea that was the initial idea of my pedal order, before I apply any effect I wanted to have stable signal.
I like subtle eq where it preserves tone/character of the bass. If I want different tone or drastically different sound, I just use different bass.
Sounds like you're good. Gig with it a bit and see if you like it, especially FOH, not from the stage.
Considering some pedals' circuitry jacks up some frequencies at the beginning of the circuit and cuts them later (or was it vice versa? or both?) to lower the overall noise floor of the pedal, it might indeed make sense in some cases to put it before when adding highs/lows back afterwards. I remember @boomertech mentioning this in another thread...
It's all good if it sounds good.
