So with all this talk about Ornette and Harmolodics; what are some of your favorite Ornette tunes?
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Ornette Coleman fans?
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A recording named "In All Languages"
Acoustic quartet on half, electric sextet (I think) on the other half, playing the same tunes.
Beautiful.
Acoustic quartet on half, electric sextet (I think) on the other half, playing the same tunes.
Beautiful.
i've been digging the complete science fiction sessions set the last couple of weeks.
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Man. Ornette is some advanced stuff. And his use of harmony was often masked, sometimes purposely haphazard...great for studying the more chaotic spin on bebop, but not so much for really getting into harmony itself.
Sorta like scale patterns and whatnot, I'd probably start simple and get into more complex songs for examining bass in complex meters. One cut that doesn't have much in the way of straight walking because of its meter (4/4 + 11/8, I think it is) is Dave Holland's "Global Citizen".
An even simpler cut, metrically, is Pegasus by Stan Kenton. Just a 6/8 groove. Again, not a lot of straight walking, but you can hear his bassist pumping the roots in triple.
Since so much of mixed-meter writing is combos of pulses of 2 and 3, if you learn to groove in 3, you're already partway there. Then stuff like 7/8 with shifting pulses is in reach, and changing time signatures and all that fun stuff.
Sorta like scale patterns and whatnot, I'd probably start simple and get into more complex songs for examining bass in complex meters. One cut that doesn't have much in the way of straight walking because of its meter (4/4 + 11/8, I think it is) is Dave Holland's "Global Citizen".
An even simpler cut, metrically, is Pegasus by Stan Kenton. Just a 6/8 groove. Again, not a lot of straight walking, but you can hear his bassist pumping the roots in triple.
Since so much of mixed-meter writing is combos of pulses of 2 and 3, if you learn to groove in 3, you're already partway there. Then stuff like 7/8 with shifting pulses is in reach, and changing time signatures and all that fun stuff.
My drummer recommended an album by Peter Brotzman called Trio Roma. Some chaotic free jazz on that. Anyone here into Zu?
brotzman might do it for you too. die like a dog quartet is supposed to be slamming. peter kowald on bass maybe?
sorry, machine gun is with kowald. dlag is william parker. he also did a band with laswell on ebass
I know on the Trio Roma cd it has a fella named Massimo Pupillo. I wasn't too impressed with what I heard of his bass playing but the drummer and Brotzman where pretty out there. The bassist uses heavy fuzz and long lingering chords; it's a neat spin on jazz I just like more of a "Haden" type approach in that genre.
you might like kowald. dunno.
check out fred hopkins with the band air (henry threadgil) an under sung hero of avant bass, imho.
check out fred hopkins with the band air (henry threadgil) an under sung hero of avant bass, imho.
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you might find this interesting.
http://preparedguitar.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/the-harmolodic-manifesto-by-ornette.html
http://preparedguitar.blogspot.com.es/2014/11/the-harmolodic-manifesto-by-ornette.html
