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Double Bass Palatino Megathread part II

Hey guys, how are the necks on these things. There is a place in the city next to me that has one for sale at $389, but said there was some neck damage but it had been fixed correctly (not sure how they at the store know that because they've admitted to not being luthiers). I've only seen low res pictures so far, was thinking about taking a trip this weekend to take a look. The guy said there is some glue visible at the neck where it was repaired...wouldn't this tell me that it's a crappy repair job as glue really shouldn't be visible should it?
 
Hey guys, how are the necks on these things. There is a place in the city next to me that has one for sale at $389, but said there was some neck damage but it had been fixed correctly (not sure how they at the store know that because they've admitted to not being luthiers). I've only seen low res pictures so far, was thinking about taking a trip this weekend to take a look. The guy said there is some glue visible at the neck where it was repaired...wouldn't this tell me that it's a crappy repair job as glue really shouldn't be visible should it?

Sorry, forgot to mention that it looks like the repair job was at the joint where the neck meets the body. Should I stay away from this or at least give it a look?
 
Sorry, forgot to mention that it looks like the repair job was at the joint where the neck meets the body. Should I stay away from this or at least give it a look?

If it's been repaired professionally then at the price you quoted it's a steal! With a tiny bit of modding, as most people often do with the Palatino, it will still probably come in cheaper than buying new one! Go for it...

*Note - if there's glue visible, it might be a quick sand paper job to get the finish right.
 
Nic,

The VE 500's have a neck cavity routed into the body and it is not uncommon for the neck to pop out or break during shipping or rough handling. The one I bought was damaged in shipping and I reglued the neck into the cavity no problems. The nature of the break is what may cause any future problems. Again if the neck just popped out of the body, clean up the joint and reglue any smaller pieces back into the joint before you glue the neck back in. IF the break involves the heel or several piece broken off you may want to think a little before you throw down the money.

You can use testor's hide glue or gorilla glue or any good strong wood glue to glue up the neck. After that you clamp it for a day or so and then you can work sand it and use some spray paint to gloss over the break for cosmetic purposes.

Good Luck. See if you can post some pics of the break.
 
I wrote to them asking for a new bridge. A few weeks later, new bridge came in the mail, no note, no invoice....nada!
But I got it!:hyper:

The Music Link Corp
380 Valley Drive
Brisbane, CA 94005-1208


Good Luck!

Did you order you bridge from Bob at Gollihurmusic.com?
He usually sends all his stuff with info.
I've picked up 2 bridges, a pick up, a bass stand, a Fishman pre amp,and some other stuff and recieved an info sheet with everything.
Anything I need upright in nature I pick up from these guys, they are great to deal with, respond to your e-mails and you get your stuff quickly.

I've got today off so a little later on I'll post my humble "How To Install Eminece bridge on Palatino".

I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL LUTHIER ! TAKE WHAT I POST WITH A GRAIN OF SAND. AS WELL AS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE POST HERE. MAKE SURE TO READ UP ON YOUR PROJECT PRYOR TO DOING IT. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE TOOL'S YOU NEED AS WELL. BEFORE YOU START.

If you log on and search all my posts you'll also see my other mods I've made.
 
First things first. Here is a list of tools I used.

A pencil, and some graph "grid" paper.

3M 150+180 grit sandpaper. Make sure to get extra you will use more than you think, and don't cheapout and buy the no name stuff it doesn't work as well and will take you twice as long I learned this the hard way. $10

A hand sanding block. I bought the 3m rubber kind it's nice on the hands. $4

Craftsman small needle file set.part#96757 from Sears. $22

Craftsman bastard cut 6" mill file. part #931300 from Sears. $9-12

A coping saw or small hacksaw. I used a small Stanley hacksaw $5.

Blue painting style masking tape. It won't leave any tape glue stuck on anything.

2 to 4 med/small C-clamps. Cheapies will do fine for this.

A good flat (has to be reasonably close to flat) working surface.

Some place nice to put your Paly lying on it back. I used a fold out cot.

I think that's all of it I'm going to double check and come back to post the "HOW TO" part
 
Did you order you bridge from Bob at Gollihurmusic.com?
He usually sends all his stuff with info.
I've picked up 2 bridges, a pick up, a bass stand, a Fishman pre amp,and some other stuff and recieved an info sheet with everything.
Anything I need upright in nature I pick up from these guys, they are great to deal with, respond to your e-mails and you get your stuff quickly.

I've got today off so a little later on I'll post my humble "How To Install Eminece bridge on Palatino".

I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL LUTHIER ! TAKE WHAT I POST WITH A GRAIN OF SAND. AS WELL AS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE POST HERE. MAKE SURE TO READ UP ON YOUR PROJECT PRYOR TO DOING IT. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE TOOL'S YOU NEED AS WELL. BEFORE YOU START.

If you log on and search all my posts you'll also see my other mods I've made.

NO, I went right to the Palatino website. They even sent it NO charge!! :)
 
IMPORTANT NOTE. THIS IS FOR PALATINOS ONLY. OTHER INSTRUMENTS REQUIRE A FEW EXTRA STEPS.
I AM NOT A LUTHIER SO IF YOU MESS UP DON'T BLAME ME THESE ARE JUST MY METHODS OF GETTING THIS JOB DONE.

First thing to do is take your old bridge off your bass put something under your tail piece so it doesn't scratch the body.
Mark you stock bridge on the E + G sides on both the bridge and the feet. This so when your taking your bridge apart you remember what pieces go where.

Take off the adjusters on stock bridge lay the pieces down minus the adjuster on the graph paper make sure they are all snug together and centered, you can use that blue tape to hold it all together.

You'll notice if your stock bridge was set up right there is a beveled side and a flat side. The flat side is suppose to be the side that faces the taipiece . You should have a 90degree angle from the body to bridge on the TP side.

Place the flat side of the bridge on graph paper to trace the outline of stock bridge. That puts the G side to the left and E side to the right. Make your marks where the strings go as well.
Now you have a template of sorts to work with. You can do this twice and use one of them to cut out and make a templet on cardboard or something.

Now that you have a templet we move on the something harder.

Take your new bridge all in tact use the blue tape or something to secure the feet of the new bridge so when we start sanding they don't start to move around.

Place a sheet of the 150 grit sandpaper to a flat working surface, and secure it so it won't move around. 1x2 wood and 4 clamps works pretty good. Once its secure you are ready to move to the next step.

Hold the new bridge in both hand one on each side of bridge. G side left, E side right.
With even pressure place bridgefeet on sandpaper and move it to the left and right till feet are flat and not angled any more.
Don't go to fast with this it is very important that the feet are flat and that they maintain a 90 degree anglea from bottom of feet the the flat side of the bridge (TP side). Use a protractor or carpenters square to check out angle.

Once your feet are flat remove the tape or whatever you used to keep the feet from moving around as you sanded, and remove the adjuster from the bridge. Make sure to mark what direction the feet are sitting just like with the old bridge.


Place the feet pieces in proper orientation snugly together on a flat surface. Use the the templet you made to do a comparison.
If your templets top is stuck in the middle of the heart on the new bridge you will need to shorten the legs one the new bridge.
On the finished bridge you are going to want at least a 1/2" to 3/4" past the " heart " of wood if you shape you bridge too close to the heart you will have issues.

To shorten the legs on the new bridge you'll need sand evenly and flat the parts of the bridge that the adjusters touch.
Make sure to take off equal distances on the legs bridge side and feet side, as well as even from the g side to the e side.
Make sure to maintain that 90degrees from feet to tailpiece side of bridge
Once you have your legs roughly the same length as the stock bridge and the templets top center 1/2" to 3/4" past the" heart on the new bridge you are ready for the next step

LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS MAKING ANY SENSE TO ANY BODY SO FAR. I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME MORE COFFEE AND COME BACK TO THIS.
 
Sorry guys gotta get back to you tomorrow with the rest of the modification details:(.
I have a last minute band practice:bassist:.
I don't think I could tell the guys in the band I couldn't make it to practice because I had to post something on a forum.
:rollno:
See you tomorrow.:)
 
Next step:
Once you have finished sanding the leg parts down to match your templet better, put pieces together in correct orientation on a flat surface.

You can check your work and see if all the pieces were sand flat and proper. If they are lay all your parts snugly together (minus your adjusters, remember your templet wasn't made with it's adjusters in it.)
Using your templet and a pencil trace the top outline on the new bridge. this will let you know roughly were you will be trimming the top of the bridge to. Make sure the templet is flush and lined up straight. Also make sure to mark where your strings go.

Once you have marked the top of your bridge, make a mark 1/2" away from the first one you did, this should run parallel to the first.

MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD BEFORE GOING TO THE NEXT STEP.

Take your new bridge and mount it to something using your c-clamps and use a coping saw or a hacksaw and cut the bridge following the 2nd line you made on the bridge.

Take your sanding block with some 180 grit paper and sand the top of the bridge down to the first line you drew, make sure you keep it nice and level.

Now you should have the rough cut version of your bridge.
Take all your pieces and parts and put them all back together.

VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: IF YOU HAD TO TRIM THE LEGS OF THE BRIDGE DOWN A LOT SO YOU WOULDN'T CUT INTO OT TO CLOSE TO THE HEART OF YOUR NEW BRIDGE.YOU WILL NEED TO TRIM YOUR ADJUSTERS A LITTLE SMALLER TO PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER.

How to trim adjusters if needed.
Put adjuster in vice or something to hold on to 'em,
use your mill file and file away slowly the side that need trimming.
Do this in small increments and check often to see when there trimmed enough. DON'T TAKE AWAY TOO MUCH. ONLY WHAT IS NEEDED.

Now that the bridge is reassemble in proper orientation with all its pieces and parts, try sticking into the bridge box on the paly.

Sand the side of your feet as needed, go slow and take off only what is need. My feet on my bridge didn't require taking to much off.

Once bridge is in box ( make sure E side is on E side nad G side......) place your string on the bridge with a little tension,just enough to keep them from slipping off.

HOW IS YOUR ACTION?
Are all the srtings a little to high, or just to high on a string or two. Make your marks by the strings you want to lower and mark how much lower you want them.

Once you have the height of the strings where you want them we move on to the next important step.

COFFEE BREAK. . . . . . . . .
BE BACK IN 10MIN
 
I forgot to mention that when setting your string height you can set it a little low being that you have adjusters this will let have string height that can "jazz" height or with adjusters raised "bluegrass" height.

With all that said, next step.

Take your new bridge off your bass, take the feet and adjusters off.
Use your clamps and secure your bridge to a working surface.
You want the flat side(tailpiece side) on your working surface and the top of the bridge (where the strings sit) facing you, clamps on the leg parts, make sure to use something to pad where your clamps touch the bridge. I used scraps cardboard.

With your bridge secure, grab your sanding block with some 180grit on it , and sand down the beveled side of the bridge ( fingerboard side evenly till you have about 3/8th of an inch of wood, don't touch too much below the legs arch and keep the angle of the bevel kind of steep. This will give you more meat on your new bridge. Take a look at some picture of bridges this will give you an idea of how think you want it, mine is a little thicker than my DB bridge.

Put everything back together again and check it on your bass with mild tension on the strings.

DO YOU LIKE IT,DOES IT LOOK GOOD, IF YOU BOW WILL IT WORK FOR ARCO?
IF SO YOUR ALMOST DONE. THE REST IS EASY.

Take bridge out of bass hold in hand, sanding block with 180 grit, and LIGHTLY take a little of the hard edge of the bridge on the top both TP side and FB side.
All your looking to do is round of the edges a little so the bridge does not damage your strings.

DO YOU STILL HAVE MARKS WHERE YOU WANT YOUR STRINGS?
If not put small ones back on it and check it.

Using your small files put the appropriate size grooves on the top where your strings will sit.
GROOVES FOR STRINGS SHOULD LET YOUR STRINGS SIT IN THE BRIDGE ABOUT 1/3RD OF STRING, LEAVING 2/3RDS 0F THE STRING OUT OF THE BRIDGE. THESE ARE GROOVES.

BUT NOT SLOTS!!THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE ON YOUR NUT.
MAKE SURE EACH GROOVE SIZE IS RELATED TO THE STRING THAT WILL SIT IN IT.
So your E will be a little fatter and deeper where as your G will look kind of like it is floating on top. Different kinda string will be different diameters so there is no standard

If you have grooves that are too deep they will be quieter and not respond as well, and if the grooves are too wide they will buzz. If you mess up it's not the end of the world but, you will have to start over again. This means sanding all of the grooves you put in and redoing them.

Once your grooves are proper, use some of your scrap 180grit sandpaper and gently sand away the roughness of the saddles of the bridge, make sure you put a little of an angle in your grooves where the string enteres and leaves.
Kind of the same idea how a saddle works on a Bass Guitar.

While the bridge is out you can do some other stuff like sand the wings so they fit your Realist, or Bassmax, or whatever as well rounding the hard edges of the bridge to make it look pretty.

I THINK THAT EVERYTHING. IF SOME ONE KNOWS SOME THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED OR GOT COMPLETELY WRONG,
PLEASE POST CORRECTIONS.

THIS METHOD IS A NON-POWER TOOL METHOD, IF YOU WANT TO USE BELT SANDER OR ORBITAL SANDER OR A RECIPROCATING SAW..... YOU DO AT YOUR OWN RISK.

For me I like doing it by hand. It's a lot harder to mess it up, and you catch your mistakes sooner.

Good luck and have fun.
This sounds way more complicated than it is.
 
Quick update on my 3 1/2 yr old Pal. Went to take it outta gig bag on w/end- to oil the neck(hadn't done it in a while) & noticed a VERY hi action........... aha!!!! neck BREAK!!! Luckily a clean -tension of strings- type break!! very clean & only came apart about a 1/2". So I glued & drilled holes-to make a nice tight "bolt on" neck joint!! All's fine & dandy & she worked fine at the gig last nite! Will keep U updated!

mods & repairs done ......:-

Stock bridge replaced with a plexi-glass one made by Yvarg(TB'er & pal owner)-Thanks again mate!
Rubber inner tube under & over piezo pup, & under bridge
String retainer replaced with nylon one & now steel rope one
Orig strings replaced w/ D'addario Hybrid Lights
Altho I 'INTEND' to pull the stock pre out!! it's STILL in there!! but I plug the Pal into a FISHMAN Platinum + Pro pre amp... I find the Comp & EQ on there make a HUGE difference.
Biggest tone changes- Rubber under bridge/pup etc. & String retainer. WILL take out stock pre ASAP!! Anyone care to tellan elecs moron - step by step - how to take OUT stock pre & makr the stock input go direct????? I CAN solder/chage pups outta my P-bass etc but I'm STILL an elecs MORON!!!
 
rodl2005,

Here is a step by step for wiring your Paly.

1: pull of all the cover plates/batt compartments on paly let them all hang out, and put all the little tiny screws into something so you don't loose em.

2:Cut the leads to the battery compartment.
Cut the leads 2 inches away from the 1/4" output.
Cut the leads to the crappy headphone jackplate.
Pull the volume nob plate thing out a little bit, you will see a miniature version of a 1/4" plug in there I believe it's called a 3/32" jack. DO NOT CUT THIS. You will see that that tiny Plug is plugged into a tiny receptical track the wire back to the volume jack/preamp thing and cut the two wires as close to the metal cover thing as possible. DON'T LET IT FALL INTO THE BODY.
There is one more wire it is th grounding wire, cut that as close to the metal cover on the preamp.

3:At this point you should be able to pull everything out but the pickup and it's wires leave them there.

4:The wires coming of the pick up, you want to stip them back a little and solder them to the 1/4" output jack.
Black Wire= ground
Red Wire= hot wire

5:Make sure everything works before you put it back together.
Plug it in and test it.

6: Remove all necessary crap, and screw the cover plates/batt compartment back on to make it look nice.

7:Find some foam/cotton balls/rag and fill in the space where the batt used to be, if yoy don't it will rattle and drive you crazy.

Good luck
 
I kinda miss the VE500 at times and I continue to watch this forum to keep up on what's happening. I love the continuing exchange of ideas here. I'm gonna borrow a VE500 from someone I know in town and make another video in the near future.

It may not be the end all DIY/mod video of all time but I will try to cover everything I've ever done and do a little side by side comparison with my Eminence EUB.

I had made a diagram of the wiring for the pickup and how to use a different pickup with the stock electronics back on page 22 or 23.

I also appreciate the responses I've gotten on the "low tech videos I posted on Youtube. I hope this has helped you guys out there in someway.

Merry Xmas

Bassbob
 
Hi everyone,

Lots of great info and wisdom here. I'm hoping that someone can help me with a small issue I'm having...

I really like my Palatino but have recently run into problems with the bowed sound. When I bow and mute a string, there are some very high frequency overtones (they almost sound like feedback) that continue to ring out. I'm not the greatest arco player in the world, but even when I'm playing cleanly, this problem still occurs.

I'm wondering if maybe a standard string bass mute would help? Or, as others have mentioned, could there be an issue with the tailpiece?

On a separate issue, has anyone experimented with achieving a more pleasant arco tone? I know that this bass will not sound like a real bowed string bass, but I was just curious if there are any mods that specifically help the arco tone. Like I said, I'm happy with the plucked sound (which is the majority of my use anyway).

Any and all opinions are welcomed.

Thanks.