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Patitucci on a Sadowsky Playing Jamerson

#41
Brad Johnson said:
The great Dave Weckl simply doesn't float everyone's boat. I have a couple of his cds and other than some work I've heard him do with Anthony Jackson, he just sounds way too mechanical to me. He has serious skills but serious skills aren't everything.
:)

I can think of a bunch of drummers I'd rank up there with him, for different reasons, as far as what I'd want to listen to or play with.
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interesting comments...I sorta understand where you're coming from, although I have seen Dave play more fluid...but none as fluid as an Omar Hakim, for instance...

ironically, as a bassist, I find John Pattitucci to be very much in that "mechanical" vein of performers...I aspire to be a more "rubbery" player like a Tal Wilkenfeld.
 
#42
i understand the intention of the thread, i think (vintage style on a contemporary bass, no?) but the original clip was neither motown nor... good. sorry!

i'm sure they're great players. but that tone does nothing for me, as does the playing.

as you were :)
 
#44
PilbaraBass said:
interesting comments...I sorta understand where you're coming from, although I have seen Dave play more fluid...but none as fluid as an Omar Hakim, for instance...
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I agree... I've heard him play more fluidly with AJ. Or maybe just because the two mesh together so well it seems that way.

ironically, as a bassist, I find John Pattitucci to be very much in that "mechanical" vein of performers...I aspire to be a more "rubbery" player like a Tal Wilkenfeld.
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I like what John does... and I know how important a drummer can be to the final outcome. You can put Bootsy (the most rubbery-est bassist ever) on top of a Robo-Cop drummer and...:eek:. the thrill is gone.

No offense to drum technicians everywhere.
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#46
Ahh, mullet-era Dave Weckl. Busting a Motown beat with a piccolo snare and 13" hihats. I don't think he even owns a snare drum that's deeper than 4". I swear that HAL from 2001 had more soul than Weckl, though he has gotten a lot more listenable lately.

I love Weckl and Patitucci but listening to them doing Motown is painful. It's so far from the white boy square fusion they are known for, it's like seeing Lisa Loeb do a death metal clinic.
 
#47
Dan Knowlton said:
If you have listened to Weckl in the past 3-4 years you would hear a HUGE change in his playing - much looser and world music influenced.
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That could be...I haven't sought him out lately.

Although I have a couple of other drummers that I prefer - you can't get away from the fact that he has played and is playing with the best musicians out there. If I ever get to that level I'll criticize his playing.

Dan K.
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I don't consider simply not liking what someone does to be problematic. When I say someone sounds too mechanical, that is referring to "my tastes". It's just not liking what they do. I understand that others may love what he does.

As such, I don't see why one would need to reach their skill level to realize they don't care for what they do. YMMV
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#48
msquared said:
Ahh, mullet-era Dave Weckl. Busting a Motown beat with a piccolo snare and 13" hihats. I don't think he even owns a snare drum that's deeper than 4". I swear that HAL from 2001 had more soul than Weckl, though he has gotten a lot more listenable lately.

I love Weckl and Patitucci but listening to them doing Motown is painful. It's so far from the white boy square fusion they are known for, it's like seeing Lisa Loeb do a death metal clinic.
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Thanks for that visual:eyebrow:




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#51
I really like Patitucci's instructional DVD, and i love the Sadowsky/EMG tone on it. But i never could understand why he played such a simple line for the Jamerson example, didn't make sense seeing as Jamerson was so fluid and creative with all the chromatic passing tones, etc, blah blah IMHO. I loved the Paul Jackson example with his take on 'hang up your hang ups', can't find that clip on youtube though.



jokerjkny said:
haha, yea, and weckl's mullet aint workin' for me either!

i think JP's version is ok tho. i mean, cmon, he's trying to cop jamerson!

but one of the better jamerson lines i've heard on an instructional tape is definitely jerry barnes' rendition on his funk licks tape:

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and i still play that lick! actually, this is THE video that got me started on bass all those years ago. well worth picking up.
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I bought a clearance copy of Jerry Barnes VHS a couple of years ago and love that too... some great jazz growl and the drummer slams it.

unfortunately i can't find any of his examples on youtube either... good for his DVD sales though!
 
#52
Mr_Dave said:
But i never could understand why he played such a simple line for the Jamerson example, didn't make sense seeing as Jamerson was so fluid and creative with all the chromatic passing tones, etc, blah blah IMHO.
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Yeah, I don't understand that either.
Maybe he felt the need to make the first example on his tape really simple and recognizable, hence the guitar lick and simple, mechanical playing.
We'll never know. John might've been under alot of stress doing that DVD; apparently both videos (that's 4 hours of instruction) were shot in 2 days in New Jersey where they do NFL films back in 1988.
He covered most styles and aspects of bass playing. Not an easy task. Yes, some examples, like the Jamerson, could've been more soulful and grooving, but maybe he was burnt out from reading the cue cards and having directors yell "CUT" every 30 seconds....again, we'll never know.
 
#54
John's electric tone has always been sort of non-Fenderish (if thats a term...). Part of it is is choice of bass, part of it is him. Sure he sounds a bit different on a Sadowsky, but he still sounds like JP!

Say what you want about his video (or all the Electrik stuff), but it was from another time. John can groove his ASS off! Listen to some the recent Wayne stuff...
 
#56
jokerjkny said:
haha, yea, and weckl's mullet aint workin' for me either!

i think JP's version is ok tho. i mean, cmon, he's trying to cop jamerson!

but one of the better jamerson lines i've heard on an instructional tape is definitely jerry barnes' rendition on his funk licks tape:

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and i still play that lick! actually, this is THE video that got me started on bass all those years ago. well worth picking up.
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That Jerry Barnes tape is killer.:bassist: I still put it on just to listen to the grooves! I wish they would release it on DVD.

There is a Chic at Montreaux DVD with Jerry that is great as well.
 
#60
He's playing it kind of groovy and slow as a teaching technique IMO.

Plus...the video was done in the 80's? There was a point back then when (although I can't speak for everyone) most bassists were trying to obtain that modern tone. It was really a big thing until the mid to late 90's brought back the vintage vibe and warmth.
 

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