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Patitucci on a Sadowsky Playing Jamerson

#64
Lync said:
He's playing it kind of groovy and slow as a teaching technique IMO.
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Not even close IMO. The speed wasn't the issue.

Plus...the video was done in the 80's? There was a point back then when (although I can't speak for everyone) most bassists were trying to obtain that modern tone. It was really a big thing until the mid to late 90's brought back the vintage vibe and warmth.
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It was supposed to be a demo from another period. Even if he played it on a Ric with Rotosounds, the note placement and groove had practically nothing in common with the subject.
 
#66
while I agree about the groove not really being close....

in the video, there is a techinque section, and then there is a section showing gooves in the vein of other people or genres.

I do believe the jamerson groove was one of the first ones thrown out there, and definitely simpler than the other lines he was demonstrating. It got a little more complex as the vid went on.
 
#68
I thought the clip was kind of cool, I liked the sound of his Sadowsky (even if it does not sound exactly like Jamersons P bass) and I thought the groove was nice (if not exactly Motown).
To all of the folks criticizing Weckl let me ask you this:
You get a phone call from Weckl for a cherry gig, do you turn it down telling him over the phone that his groove sucks and that you are much too good to play with him or do you take the gig? I take the gig and love every second of it.
 
#70
KJung said:
I remember that instructional video from John. It's actually pretty good. Man, can Weckl suck the groove out of everything or what:eek::D That is about as 'funk-less' as anything could ever be played:p

The first time I ever saw John P. play bass was in St. Louis years ago when he was touring with David Sanborn. It was in the early 80's if I remember correctly, and he was thumpin' all those Marcus Miller lines on a 4 string J type instrument (not sure what brand). He sounded good. It was quite a shock to see him a couple of years later playing a 6 string Smith with Chick!
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He was playing a ( french ) LAG Bass back then
 
#71
I realize I'm kind of resurrecting this thread, but I have this VHS as well, and I have coveted a Sadowsky ever since I heard Patitucci's.

This video shows John playing his own groove, and it more than works for me.

Does anyone know more about this specific bass? Was this the EMG era or are those Sadowsky pickups? Is that a rosewood fretboard? Is it an ash or alder body?

I would love to know so I could buy a Sadowsky with that bite.
 
#72
IMO, his Jamerson is not bad at all. Yes James had way more complicated lines, but if you look at mowtown as a period, that style he demonstrated is way common. Including his time. Kids today are into way behind the beat, so far I have to sit down cause my head hurts sometimes. Way behind is sloppy to me. If you want behind the beat, just hit just a millisecond or so afer the snare...thats it. Anymore and youre in jadakissland or whomever...its okay, just too loose for me.

I play old school lines and ice cream changes all day long for money with old cats from the hood and south side of Chicago...I HAVE to have it right.

The pocket is a pocket because thats where the note fits in, that little pocket.
 
#76
chicago_mike said:
IMO, his Jamerson is not bad at all. Yes James had way more complicated lines, but if you look at mowtown as a period, that style he demonstrated is way common. Including his time. Kids today are into way behind the beat, so far I have to sit down cause my head hurts sometimes. Way behind is sloppy to me. If you want behind the beat, just hit just a millisecond or so afer the snare...thats it. Anymore and youre in jadakissland or whomever...its okay, just too loose for me.

I play old school lines and ice cream changes all day long for money with old cats from the hood and south side of Chicago...I HAVE to have it right.

The pocket is a pocket because thats where the note fits in, that little pocket.
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Well you did say IMO :) John P is a great bassist on upright and electric but I have always enjoyed him in jazz or fusion setting's more because those settings seem more natural for him IMO. What would be interesting being that that clip is 20+ years old, is to see how He and Dave would approach that groove now. The behind the beat neo-soul groove is very influenced by cat's emulating sampled and chopped grooves,it's a cool groove sometimes but doesn't fit every song
 
#78
I'm late to this thread as well.....my comment, I really don't get the whole you need a P-bass-with-flats-and-a-fliptop to do Jamerson thing. That's like saying you have to be drunk and laying on you back to play What's Going On.;)

About the Video, it's about 20 years old and they probably didn't have a lot of time/budget to prepare, and Weckel has loosened up in his playing, for machine-like playing these days we have Virgil Donati.:hiding: I kid , I kid.....;)
Virgil's drumming is insane!
 

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