Ha!
duiring my lunch I just caught an episode of Star Trek (the original): Assignment Earth. Guest starring Teri Garr herself. I'd not seen that one before.
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Double Bass Peacock Blows off Costello...
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Ha!
duiring my lunch I just caught an episode of Star Trek (the original): Assignment Earth. Guest starring Teri Garr herself. I'd not seen that one before.
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I haven't disrespected Peacock at all. I stated my opinion of his actions, People DO have the right to draw a line about what they will and will not do. Other's have the right to disagree with it.
Now, this may have been addressed, but I was off this post for a few days and we're up to 23 pages and I just don't have the inclination to read through all that, but has nobody questioned the general concept of professionalism on a gig?
If I had hired players for a quartet date, signed contracts or just a verbal agreement to play my date, isn't it my decision who else is on the gig and who can guest or not? Taking this situation further, if I hired pianist Darrell Grant to play a club date with me, and then for whatever reason wanted a local rock artist Storm Large, who was on that horrible Rock Star reality show to come up and sing a tune, would it be OK for Grant to refuse to play? Is Gary Peacock above a certain standard because of who he is?
I don't even know these answers, but it seems like this is an under-explored direction this thread could take to benefit and edify readers; no less or more important than Star Trek/Teri Garr tangents that entertain said readers.
My only thought is that if I refuse to play with any guest artist on a gig, I'll probably never work with that bandleader again. I wouldn't even consider it, because I've accepted the gig and the bandleader is counting on me. Now, if I had an offer to play a gig with Storm Large guesting with a band, would I take it? It probably depends on more variables that just the guest artist.
I'm happy to elaborate if anyone else is interested in this angle. Otherwise, I'll just sit back and watch it all fly around me.
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If I had hired players for a quartet date, signed contracts or just a verbal agreement to play my date, isn't it my decision who else is on the gig and who can guest or not? Taking this situation further, if I hired pianist Darrell Grant to play a club date with me, and then for whatever reason wanted a local rock artist Storm Large, who was on that horrible Rock Star reality show to come up and sing a tune, would it be OK for Grant to refuse to play? Is Gary Peacock above a certain standard because of who he is?
I don't even know these answers, but it seems like this is an under-explored direction this thread could take to benefit and edify readers; no less or more important than Star Trek/Teri Garr tangents that entertain said readers.
My only thought is that if I refuse to play with any guest artist on a gig, I'll probably never work with that bandleader again. I wouldn't even consider it, because I've accepted the gig and the bandleader is counting on me. Now, if I had an offer to play a gig with Storm Large guesting with a band, would I take it? It probably depends on more variables that just the guest artist.
I'm happy to elaborate if anyone else is interested in this angle. Otherwise, I'll just sit back and watch it all fly around me.
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I wonder if William Shatner disrespected Teri Garr by pinching her a** or something.
That point has been made and I think you stated it eloquently, but the pro-Peacock camp here rejects it as applicable to him.
And there's nothing off topic about a young Terri Garr.
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And there's nothing off topic about a young Terri Garr.
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I reject it as being applicable to anyone. Profesionalism goes for everyone, not just the bass player. If everyone is sticking to the orginal agreement, there is no problem, as soon as it changes re-negotiation is in order.
Peacock was not the first one to breach the agreement.
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To be accurate we know little about the actual agreements between Peacock and whomever booked him for the gig. Perhaps the Costello thing was outside the agreement perhaps not, we don't really know.
True. If he DID agree to it and pulled a prima donna move at the soundcheck it is lame and unprofessional. You should follow through with what you agree to.
As far as how his status figures in, it should not take rocket science to figure out it takes more than just a fee to get an A-list player on your gig, even if you are an A-list player yourself.
he is far the first musician to have conditions that need to be met in order to play.
In whose biography do you think we'll get the real skinny on this episode? I'm guessing there's plenty of stuff not to be proud of to share around here.
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Do you suppose she'll include our intimate moments and that trip to the clinic?I'm guessing Terri Garr's.
You mean that time that you got rolfed ? I thought she wasn't that kind of girl.
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No you're getting my anecdotes confused. Teri took me to the clinic for some penicillin, the Rolfer just took me.
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But, then again, look at the subject line of this thread. Was that yours Damon, or the author of the original article?
Just clarifying. Not trying to incite anything.
Peacock plays with a piano player who is known for snubbing his audiences prior to playing for them. I guess after 20 years a little Keith has rubbed off on him. =)
The one thing I think is agreeable is that the club had no business billing Costello's appearance as "special guest artist." That seemed a bit like grabbing for the dollars.
Pushing for 24 pages and 500 posts. Gamut gut strings look out!
Pushing for 24 pages and 500 posts. Gamut gut strings look out!
Can't argue with that. The club owner is undoubtedly the biggest assclown in the story. Or any story for that matter. Hope none of you own clubs.
And I'll go out on a limb and say that we can all think of SOMEONE we admire enough from whom we could forgive this kind of behavior. The poster who said "What would Miles do?" makes a great point. We can be sure Miles would have done something that would have set the obnoxious bar much higher than Gary Peacock OR the club owner or any rock star could ever do. Likely Mingus would have agreed to the arrangement and then made a spectacle of the guest star by stopping in the middle of the tune and berating him, or something.. And Bird would have given the appearance of being agreeable and polite but would have surely made some kind of backhanded compliment or something, as he often did with Symphony Sid and guys like that. And I would have had some kind of respect for that.
And while I'm a long time Elvis Costello fan, I have certainly come to think of a lot of rock "artists" as clowns, even if I once admired them as a kid. Elvis is a bit different because he adapts, he tries new things, he is not one of these pathetic washed up old rockers who can't let go of their gloried past. And some of his lyrics are the most scathing, biting, sarcastic and clever that I've heard from anyone. He saw me through a few "evil woman" episodes nicely. But in Peacock's defense, "North" is NOT Elvis's best work by a long shot. It's pretty boring actually. Like Norah Jones.
