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Penn State

#42
duff beer said:
Why is it so important to you that the wins remain on the books? Does it serve any purpose??
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i don't really have a dog in this hunt, BUT, i thought vacating wins was for things that affected your ability to win.

using ineligible players, eg, or messing around with SAT scores, that kind of thing.

this scandal had absolutely nothing to do with the on-field conduct of the program and everything to do with the off-field conduct.

it looks to me like they just didn't want paterno to be no. 1 at the same time he was disgraced. so they took away wins that the team clearly earned, and rightfully earned.

no problem with the punishment in general, but i do have a problem with this aspect of it.

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#43
duff beer said:
Why is it so important to you that the wins remain on the books? Does it serve any purpose??
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Hundreds of people were part of the program during those years who had no part in the scandal. Emmert stated during his press conference that this scandal gave no advantage to the school and the athletes were not responsible for the unfortunate events. Then, he punished them all.

-Mike
 
#44
None of the people directly involved get one iota of sympathy from me.. but I think their judgement goes to far in that it also penalizes the town.. I wonder how many people will loose their jobs/scholarships that they were counting on that had nothing to do with this at all.. I can see vacating the wins.. and even fining the university.. but this penalizes current students who had nothing to do with it..
 
#46
DwaynieAD said:
the entire problem i see is everyone is still yelling "football" they just dont get it.. it keeps coming back to football.. which is why the covered it all up in the first place..

covered it up to keep the money, now they're crying cuz they are losing the money. i see a theme developing.
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Yup!



Marial said:
...Frankly, I think Penn St got off easy. This was an institutional failure and the institution needs to pay dearly for it.
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I, personally, agree wholeheartedly.


fenderhutz said:
So they took down the Joe Paterno statue at Penn State but kept the library named after him. I guess they left it as a good reminder to stay quiet while you are in there.

aaaaaaaand out.
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Ouch! :D
 
#47
preside said:
Went to many PSU games in the 70's my sister went to school there. I feel for the kids hurt and for the students who graduated, like my sister , who can no longer say with pride they are PSU graduates. That said Joe pa and PSU get sanctioned , the coach of the N.O. Saints sanctioned, baseball players brought before congressional hearings ect. When do we hear about the guys on Wall Street going to prison
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You mean like Bernie Madoff and his ilk (including recently an associate of Madoff's)? Haven't you been paying attention?
 
#50
MJ5150 said:
Hundreds of people were part of the program during those years who had no part in the scandal. Emmert stated during his press conference that this scandal gave no advantage to the school and the athletes were not responsible for the unfortunate events. Then, he punished them all.

-Mike
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Do you think this would have been covered up had one of the janitors or a landscaper been caught in the shower with a boy?? Of course not. This was covered up because winning football games was considered more valuable and important. That's why the football program should be punished.
 
#53
duff beer said:
Do you think this would have been covered up had one of the janitors or a landscaper been caught in the shower with a boy?? Of course not. This was covered up because winning football games was considered more valuable and important. That's why the football program should be punished.
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The Freeh report indicated there was an attempt to protect the reputation of the university, not just the football program. People not part of the football program helped cover up the scandal, so I don't believe the coverup is limited to the football program.

I'm not trying to argue or be difficult. This move by the NCAA just looks too much like righteous indignation to prove to everyone they too are appalled at the scandal.

Let's be real, a $60,000,000 fine is one seasons worth of football revenue at PSU. It is a big sum of money, but a football factory like PSU can absorb that loss. The team will be at a competitive disadvantage for a few years, but people will still come to the games, and in 7-10 years, it will be business as usual in Happy Valley.

-Mike
 
#54
I would be willing to bet that the exact same thing has happened before.

Sadly, I really wouldn't be surprised if it is happening somewhere else right now.

Someone is victimized by a "leader" and it is covered up "for the good of the institution".

Heck, it happened (happens) in Church!!!!
For it to occur in a school should be no shock to anyone.
The scandal is that it was brought to light and the cover up exposed.
 
#55
I, too, blame the school and the program entirely. Who here works in an office? EVERYBODY knows as soon as someone is having an affair with a co-worker, gets a DUI, or is suspected to be gay. Don't tell me that EVERYONE at that school- players, coaches, administrators, etc didn't know what Sandusky was doing. No one spoke up. No one said anything. SICK! Who knowingly allows young boys to be abused just to keep their cushy job and keep the dollars rolling in? That's some very sick behavior in a very sick culture by a lot of sick (rich/famous) people. It disgusts me, and not only because I am an abuse survivor, but because people should never be allowed to get away with stuff like this.

That football program should be shut down, period, if only to honor the victims of it. Imagine being one of those kids and having to hear about Penn State football for the rest of your life. Awesome.
 
#56
runmikeyrun said:
I, too, blame the school and the program entirely. Who here works in an office? EVERYBODY knows as soon as someone is having an affair with a co-worker, gets a DUI, or is suspected to be gay. Don't tell me that EVERYONE at that school- players, coaches, administrators, etc didn't know what Sandusky was doing. No one spoke up. No one said anything. SICK! Who knowingly allows young boys to be abused just to keep their cushy job and keep the dollars rolling in? That's some very sick behavior in a very sick culture by a lot of sick (rich/famous) people. It disgusts me, and not only because I am an abuse survivor, but because people should never be allowed to get away with stuff like this...
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While I'm not an abuse survivor, I'm a therapist that works with abused (damaged) adolescents every single day. I agree with every word of this.

I do disagree with completely dismantling the football program, however. You do that, and the school ultimately falls. You destroy an entire city of innocent hardworking people that rely on that university for their livelihood (not to mention satellite campuses). The penalties were not severe enough, IMO, but wiping out the football program for good isn't the solution.
 

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