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Penn State

#61
etoncrow said:
You don't think civil cases are pending? The victims will get theirs on top of the 60 million.
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Wasn't that 60 million specifically ear marked for some sort of anti child abuse trust fund endowment?


There it is:

"The NCAA imposed a $60 million sanction on the university, which is equivalent to the average gross annual revenue of the football program. These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university."
 
#62
Steve said:
Wasn't that 60 million specifically ear marked for some sort of anti child abuse trust fund endowment?
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"The NCAA said the $60 million is equivalent to the annual gross revenue of the football program. The money must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at Penn State." wvgazette.com
 
#63
What Penn State did was commit horrific violations of criminal and civil laws, and it should pay every possible price for shielding Sandusky, the child rapist. This is why we have a society with civil and criminal courts. Instead, we have Mark Emmert inserting himself in a criminal matter and acting as judge, jury and executioner, in the style of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. As much as I can’t stand Goodell’s authoritarian, undemocratic methods, the NFL is a private corporation and his method of punishment was collectively bargained with the NFL Players Association. Emmert, heading up the so-called nonprofit NCAA, is intervening with his own personal judgment and cutting the budget of a public university. He has no right, and every school under the auspices of the NCAA should be terrified that he believes he does.

Speaking anonymously to ESPN, a former prominent NCAA official said, “This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried. It’s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow [the NCAA president and executive board] have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct.”
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#64
aborgman said:
See - that is just it... I don't think it was "just like all the other football factories around the country."

In fact, I don't think there is or has been another place like it since Bear Bryant at Alabama.
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I think that what happened at PSU could happen at any other football factory in the USA...Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, LSU, Nebraska, Texas, etc.

I'm not trying to minimize what happened at PSU. It is a tragedy that makes me sick to my stomach. That being said, the reverent devotion to the football program across the community is not unique to PSU. Perhaps you are referring to the Joe Paterno angle, where I would agree with you that that is unique like it was at Alabama with Bear Bryant. Either way, the idea of administrators and coaches covering up crimes/illegal activity for the sake of winning football games is not beyond anyone at some of the big schools.

-Mike
 
#68
Phil Smith said:
What does a private institution the the NCAA have to do with a criminal and civil matter?
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The civil and criminal matter involves a member of the NCAA, who agreed upon voluntarily joining the NCAA to put themselves under the oversight of the NCAA.

Phil Smith said:
Why is nobody troubled by their actions?
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Because Penn St. has the ability to completely avoid the punishment from the NCAA at anytime by merely quitting the organization they chose to join.
 
#70
MJ5150 said:
I think that what happened at PSU could happen at any other football factory in the USA...Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, LSU, Nebraska, Texas, etc.
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I don't.

...because the truth is, the coaches just don't have THAT much power at those schools.

Joe Paterno WAS football at Penn St. They basically didn't exist before him... All those other schools have a long litany of successful coaches.


That isn't to say that football doesn't hold too high a stature and isn't placed way above where it should be at those universities - just not to nearly the leval, and without the extreme defification of the coach.

MJ5150 said:
. Perhaps you are referring to the Joe Paterno angle, where I would agree with you that that is unique like it was at Alabama with Bear Bryant.
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That is exactly it. There is a difference between school administrators deciding to cover something up to protect money... there is a whole other level when school administrators decide to cover something up to protect money at the orders of the football coach.
 
#71
MJ5150 said:
I don't agree with the vacating wins. Paterno is dead, no need to penalize him further.

-Mike
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Actually I think they had no choice. Can't be having someone who helped to cover up that cluster**** being held in any esteem, whatsoever, in the public eye.
Like it or lump it HE knew there may be a price to pay, and then there's the optics to consider.......

:D
 
#72
I don't think I have ever seen you acknowledge that someone else's viewpoint may be correct, or that yours may be wrong. I know for sure you and I have never got to that point in our various discussions. I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts with me, it has provided a perspective that may be more difficult for me to see. That being said, we're probably both better off to let this part of the discussion go. The old cliche "agree to disagree" probably suits us best at this point.

I'm still digging around the internet to find out how Emmert plans to spend the $60,000,000 due from PSU over the next five years. None of it can be spent on any programs related to PSU.

-Mike
 
#73
aborgman said:
The civil and criminal matter involves a member of the NCAA, who agreed upon voluntarily joining the NCAA to put themselves under the oversight of the NCAA.



Because Penn St. has the ability to completely avoid the punishment from the NCAA at anytime by merely quitting the organization they chose to join.
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Do you know what the oversight entails or are you just speculating as to what that oversight entails? You have link to the agreement? If not, can you elaborate on how you know what you know, if in fact you know anything.
 
#74
aborgman said:
... there is a whole other level when school administrators decide to cover something up to protect money at the orders of the football coach.
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How do you know this occurred? Was it in the Freeh report? Could the executives at the school have ordered Paterno to keep quiet?

To be clear, I don't know and I'm asking.
 
#75
etoncrow said:
The memories of the players and fans who participated in those games remain intact; no one can erase them. But since maintaining the ability to compile those wins was so meaningful as to be the primary motivation behind the cover-up it seems altogether fitting and meaningful that the wins be vacated on the books.
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Agreed... it's about the Paterno's legacy.
 
#76
Drunk Heffalump said:
Actually I think they had no choice. Can't be having someone who helped to cover up that cluster**** being held in any esteem, whatsoever, in the public eye.
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Outside of the die-hard Paterno devotees, does anyone hold Paterno in esteem at this point?

For the record, I believe his name needs to come off the library as well. It is sad and unfortunate since he did many great things to advance the education of his players and those who were not his players, but it's all out the window now. Sorry Joe, you chose poorly.

-Mike
 
#77
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ower-struggle-spread-penn-state-state-capital

The untold story, though, is about bare-knuckle Pennsylvania politics, old grudges and perceived slights. It involves a stagnated child sexual abuse investigation that, to some, took a backseat to higher-profile cases and a gubernatorial campaign. It involves a head football coach who knew too little and, still, failed to do enough. It includes a passive school board of trustees that for months ignored a lurking controversy and then, under pressure to preserve Penn State's reputation, quickly fired its legendary coach without ever talking with him.
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A 62-year-old Republican, Corbett is a blunt-spoken former prosecutor whose political career has been built pursuing powerful people who, he has said, "believe they are beyond the law." And his role in the Penn State scandal, fraught with potential conflicts, placed him in a remarkable position. As Pennsylvania's attorney general, he investigated Sandusky for nearly two years but failed to make an arrest. But then, as governor, he blamed the university's leaders for not doing more. One was Paterno, who some board members believed wielded too much power. The other was university president Graham B. Spanier, a 16-year veteran and Corbett rival who had become a vocal opponent of the governor's efforts to slash higher education funding.
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