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Wouldn't a prosecutor be in a great position to put an end to the activities of a guy like Sandusky?
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Wouldn't a prosecutor be in a great position to put an end to the activities of a guy like Sandusky?
A therapist who worked for me last year was a Penn State grad, and one of those blinder-wearing hard-core extremist loons. I just saw on her FB page yesterday this whole rant about how it was "unfair" and what an amazing man he was, yadda, yadda, yadda...
This is a mental health therapist that worked with abused adolescents, for eff's sake! I'm disgusted! I'm also pretty disgusted at myself that I even hired her, to be honest. :scowl:
With the vague limits placed on NCAA oversight power - it basically entails almost anything the NCAA wants it to.
If the member schools don't like what the president does - they fire him. The member schools CHOOSE the president, review him, and have the power to remove him at any time.
Which agreement? The general NCAA bylaws/Constitution that apply to all member institutions?
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Or do you mean the consent agreement signed by Penn State specifically stating they accept whatever punishment the NCAA doled out without complain or court fight?
http://a.espncdn.com/pdf/2012/0723/pennstateconclusions.pdf
They need to stop all pensions that are paid to those involved. I thought Paterno and Sandusky are still getting their pensions. If so, it is absurd.
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Exactly. But he didn't, according to the quote. And when he became governor he began to point fingers at others, according to the quote.
I'm saying that those quotes and the people quoted are dubious.
From the Freeh report:
Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up an "action plan" that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Public Welfare. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind about the plan "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe." Instead, Curley proposed to offer Sandusky "professional help."
"Based on the evidence, the only known intervening factor ... was Mr. Paterno's Feb. 26 conversation with Mr. Curley," Freeh said.
I am. I think the NCAA overstepped their authority. The criminal acts of Sandusky are atrocious. The criminal and/or civil violation acts of the cover-up by Spanier, et.al. are also atrocious. They should be dealt with severely by the criminal and civil courts. Let the NCAA oversee recruiting violations and other matters that give a team an unfair advantage. Let the courts handle criminal/civil violations.
On another matter, those who say that there was an unhealthy ferver among the Penn State community for the football program, I'm sure that is true. Just like other major colleges. In SEC country, college football is like a religion. And I'm not bashing the SEC. They are the most powerful Conference in the country IMO. But there is no doubt that football is king.
Sandusky and everybody involved in the cover up should be prosecuted. But the fact remains that the players, the community, the alumni, and fans in general did nothing wrong. One of the PSU players said something like this: "So those games never existed, huh? Well, my blood is on those fields, and I have a metal plate in my neck to prove that those games were real."
I think the NCAA is mixing apples (criminal & civil violations) and oranges (violations within their purview). My personal opinion, of course; and clearly a minority opinion in this thread.
Well, I can agree that he was an amazing man. Was...as in is not anymore. You can't deny him the good he did do, but at this point, you can't lean back on that to excuse or even minimize the atrocities he allowed on his watch.
-Mike
I agree Jeff. You're not alone in how you feel in that regard. Emmert and his fancy speech on Monday were a joke.
-Mike
After reading the information so graciously provided by aborgman; specifically the chapters on ethics and penalties; and remembering that Sandusky used the mystique of Penn State football to entice many of these children into his trap and used the football facilities in many cases to "facilitate" his deeds I better understand where the NCAA's actions may be justified.
edit: At one time Sandusky had the prestige to leave PSU and be a D1 head coach; something every coach wants. Since this began to unravel I have often wondered why that did not happen. Was it because they feared if he left he would be "discovered" and the house of cards would fall down; so, he was "nested" by his handlers? Total supposition but this hypothesis does answer some unanswered questions. I believe there is so much more to this cover up than we will ever know.
edit: At one time Sandusky had the prestige to leave PSU and be a D1 head coach; something every coach wants. Since this began to unravel I have often wondered why that did not happen. Was it because they feared if he left he would be "discovered" and the house of cards would fall down; so, he was "nested" by his handlers? Total supposition but this hypothesis does answer some unanswered questions. I believe there is so much more to this cover up than we will ever know.
Why?
Where in the bylaws/Constitution agreed to by the member institutions does it limit the NCAA from exacting this sort of punishment?
You want to call it unprecedented - I don't disagree... but outside their authority? I don't buy that.
Again - Penn State signed a consent agreement, agreeing to accept whatever the NCAA did to them, before the NCAA issued the penalty... and Penn State can avoid the penalty at anytime by quitting the NCAA.
My two pennies I have been a PSU Lions fan since 1978 and Joe PA was the man right along. Imo to think the entire campus had no knowledge of what was going on is something I won't believe! Stuff travels through a campus like wild fire even without today's technology for 14 years or more who knows it was kept bottle up by many people in the name of school pride. I think the record books should be burned only because if the coaches knew I have to assume the players knew I could be wrong? However I do not agree with taking away the scholarships of those who have yet to attend PSU. Sadly the victims the children are scarred for life.
I imagine that Corbett is probably tickled with glee over the whole thing. The man hates public education and has been trying to starve the state-related universities (of which Penn State is a part) and the PASSHE universities ever since he got into office. I'd like to say more, but that would definitely take us into the "no politics" area.
So, what does "vacating" the Penn State wins mean?
Are those effectively forfeits (in which case it becomes a "win" on the books of the teams who originally lost?) Or are they basically just pretending (from PSU's perspective) that those games never happened, discounting those wins from JoePa's career record and that's it?
FWIW, given what happened I think Penn State got off easy. I was expecting a multi-year total shutdown of their football program. But as others have said here, that would cost way too many people way too much $$.
Are those effectively forfeits (in which case it becomes a "win" on the books of the teams who originally lost?) Or are they basically just pretending (from PSU's perspective) that those games never happened, discounting those wins from JoePa's career record and that's it?
FWIW, given what happened I think Penn State got off easy. I was expecting a multi-year total shutdown of their football program. But as others have said here, that would cost way too many people way too much $$.
Indeed. The goal of the penalty seems to be to demonstrate to the entire community where exactly football fits in the big scheme of things. In that light, I think the penalty was rather surgical in its precision, and merciful to current players who would have had no program at all if the death penalty was imposed.
