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Phil Lesh Appreciation Society: Enter the Philzone...

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I missed the late 60s and early 70s but '76, '77, etc., was really fun. I caught 5/7/77, the night before Barton Hall and by three days later, 5/8 was already legendary.

Yep, I think I heard all about it by the next day. I started trying to get tickets in the 60s, took a couple of years to score though. The Boys were very popular in NY back then.
 
I'm old, I remember when Aoxomoxoa and Live Dead came out. One of the Skull and Roses dates was my first show -- 4/6/71. For me, the Pig and early post-Pig eras were and always will be it, but vive la difference.

Pretty sure my brother was at the Barton show, and I knew a taper very well back then who was as well. I probably caught Springfield a month before that, I think. As I said upthread, by the mid-70s I was way more into other musical and social scenes really. I think it's great that any of us can revisit pretty much any era at will nowadays though, with decent to great sound quality to boot.

For me '68-'78 is where it's at. And if I had to narrow it down further, '71-'74. There are some later gems I like... fall '80, summer of '89 etc., but 95% of my GD listening is between '68 to '78.

Have you had a chance to listen to the Fillmore West '69 box they released a few years back? It sounds great!
 
For me '68-'78 is where it's at. And if I had to narrow it down further, '71-'74. There are some later gems I like... fall '80, summer of '89 etc., but 95% of my GD listening is between '68 to '78.

Have you had a chance to listen to the Fillmore West '69 box they released a few years back? It sounds great!

'71 to '74 was when I saw most of my shows, and then the next few years after the break.

I'll borrow that box set and have a listen, thanks. Need to get ahold of the Philly '72 Dick's Pick one too. I was there and have never heard it. :cool:
 
Also, I got my first graphite picks this week and I have to say, I'm officially a convert! I love them for bass, but where they really shine for me is on my acoustic instruments. I'm very picky about the attack of my picks, the only non-natural picks I really like are the old celluloid picks which are hard to find due to their tendency to burst into flames (remember back in the good ol' days when no one was concerned about safety - I miss that). I'm really digging the graphite ones!
 
Weird... I never found the Barton Hall show to be anything overly special. Maybe all the hype about the show effected my perception when I finally listened? It may also just be that I prefer the 72-74 and the late 60s eras more. 77 boasts a ton of really well played gigs but I find a lot of them lacking in terms of feel and the deeper connection and creativity between the band members seems to be missing from a lot of shows despite the well executed songs. No matter what I think, though, there is no denying that 1977 was one of the stronger years for the band.

I should go back and revisit the Barton Hall show... its been a while since I last heard it. It is a real blessing that we have years and years of shows to go back and listen to. Always something new waiting to be discovered...
 
Also, I got my first graphite picks this week and I have to say, I'm officially a convert! I love them for bass, but where they really shine for me is on my acoustic instruments. I'm very picky about the attack of my picks, the only non-natural picks I really like are the old celluloid picks which are hard to find due to their tendency to burst into flames (remember back in the good ol' days when no one was concerned about safety - I miss that). I'm really digging the graphite ones!

Where did you get the picks? Never tried them...
 
Weird... I never found the Barton Hall show to be anything overly special. Maybe all the hype about the show effected my perception when I finally listened? It may also just be that I prefer the 72-74 and the late 60s eras more. 77 boasts a ton of really well played gigs but I find a lot of them lacking in terms of feel and the deeper connection and creativity between the band members seems to be missing from a lot of shows despite the well executed songs. No matter what I think, though, there is no denying that 1977 was one of the stronger years for the band.

Cocaine.:hiding:
 
Where did you get the picks? Never tried them...


Here's the variety pack of all their shapes/sizes (which is what I got):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271314966149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Here's the ones Phil and Mike Gordon use, if you just want 6 of them instead:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TELEFUNKEN-...257?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item416e179bf9

I also got a pack of these, which I love for guitar and mandolin:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171068741347?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
 
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Here's the variety pack of all their shapes/sizes (which is what I got)...

Hey Spacebassed... thanks for the links to the pics. I definitely do not like the size/shape of the ones Phil and Mike use but the more conventional shape looked like a possibility. Too bad you have to buy the assortment, it also looks like they are not 100% graphite. I thought there used to be a source for pure graphite picks?
 
Weird... I never found the Barton Hall show to be anything overly special. Maybe all the hype about the show effected my perception when I finally listened? It may also just be that I prefer the 72-74 and the late 60s eras more. 77 boasts a ton of really well played gigs but I find a lot of them lacking in terms of feel and the deeper connection and creativity between the band members seems to be missing from a lot of shows despite the well executed songs. No matter what I think, though, there is no denying that 1977 was one of the stronger years for the band.

I should go back and revisit the Barton Hall show... its been a while since I last heard it. It is a real blessing that we have years and years of shows to go back and listen to. Always something new waiting to be discovered...

These are pretty much my thoughts exactly. Phil, especially, was playing his a** off those early years. Even though the early 70's are missing some of my favorite GD songs (Estimated, Terrapin, etc.), I prefer them. '77 has some amazing playing, it's just missing something compared to '73. I think Barton Hall loses it's appeal after awhile, there are many shows I prefer to it.


It's funny because it's true. :)

Hey Spacebassed... thanks for the links to the pics. I definitely do not like the size/shape of the ones Phil and Mike use but the more conventional shape looked like a possibility. Too bad you have to buy the assortment, it also looks like they are not 100% graphite. I thought there used to be a source for pure graphite picks?

If you like the "regular" pick shape in .75mm, 1mm, or 2mm you can buy just a 6 pack of them as well. Just click on "see other items."
 
UMM, gasp, cant breath :help:

You are a lucky man. The whole show is epic. Possibly the best ever dark star, certainly a top ten.

So I've heard. :p

That was a pretty good year to be living in Philly. A few other shows I saw then:

Mahavishnu Orchestra original lineup, + horns.

Pink Floyd, Dark Side debut tour.

David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust tour, Tower Theater

Jefferson Airplane

Hot Tuna

I don't think any of those shows cost more than $6-7 bucks back then.
 
Well, this is LONG. But as you guys have been comparing US gigs and reminiscing, I was moved to provide one person's perspective from the other side of the pond. Here it is.

I bought my first Dead album in '71. I was 18 and, though not yet taking advantage of chemical enhancements, had decided to be a hippy. I'd not cut my hair since age 13 when I'd first discovered 'classical' music and become enamoured of the Avant-garde; Stockhausen, Boulez, and particularly, John Cage. Also Ornette Coleman and Cecil Taylor...a precocious and pretentious kid was I, somewhat snobby about most pop/rock - although I had heard something in The Beatles White album, Cream, The Incredible String Band and The Band that spoke to me (I'd loved the Beatles at primary school...and the Dave Clark Five!).

It was my first live rock gig (a band called East of Eden in a room above a pub in North London) that turned my head back to more visceral, less intellectual music. That and reading imported copies of Rolling Stone. I knew nothing about the Dead when I first read a review of Workingman's Dead in RS. It was a glowing review. The Grateful Dead sounded to be a very cool band indeed. So while in Chicago (first ever visit to the US) as principal flute with the London Schools Symphony Orchestra I bought that album, along with Jack Bruce's 'Songs For a Tailor' and Jesse Winchester's eponymous first, featuring members of The Band.

I remember being surprised and disappointed by Workingman's. Country songs, tinny production, poor vocals...what was all the fuss about?! I did not get it at all. But as these were the first rock records I'd ever owned, I played and played them and grew to love them. Particulalry the bass playing...on all of them.

A year later and I'm full-time at the Royal College of Music, studying Flute and Composition (I'd been a 'Junior Exhibitioner' for a couple of years before that), and very ready to smoke my first joint. Joint smoked, to the accompaniment of Atom Heart Mother - or was it Umma Gumma? - I was ready to sign up for more psychedelia. The doors of my perception had been well and truly blown off their hinges. And the new vista was full of wonder and excitement.

By the time I heard that the Dead were coming to Europe in '72 I'd turned on, tuned in and was preparing to drop out of the Royal College. I'd taken up bass, heard Live/Dead and was ready for a repeat perfomance at the Lyceum. I'd also become complelety infatuated with a beautiful, unattainable blond, a twin, and a flute player. What better way to win her straight, classical heart than sit her down in front of San Fransisco's very own Grateful Dead...right next to me?

I bought the tickets. We arrived and took our places towads the safe rear of the auditorium and waited. I was waiting for a repeat of the peak experiences I'd had listening to Live/Dead at fellow hippies' houses under the influence of the best Nepalese black or Thai stick. I guess she was waiting to have her ear-drums blown out (they weren't - she 'quite liked it'). The sad fact is that although I was there; present at a gig the subsequent triple album confirmed had been one of the high points of the Dead's career, at the time it all kinda washed over me; passed me by. Rather like my first experience of hearing Workingman's, I was disappointed. Too many expectations, I guess. Too many concerns about whether Cathrine, the love of my life (or so I thought) was 'getting' it. So I missed them, the miracles taking place right in front of me. But I was there.

Two years later, in '74, I saw the Dead on their next visit to London, at Alexandra Palace. Now I was ready. Ready for the meandering lulls, the sudden surges of raw rock n roll energy (everybody UP!), the 'what is THIS? moments; for the good, the bad, the ugly and the miraculous. It was a complete Grateful Dead concert - all human life and so forth. It didn't matter anyway, I was by now a confirmed Armchair Dead/Lesh/head

And those are the only times I've heard the Dead live. Although my experience of the music has been overwhemingly record-based, and UK-based, I'm very ok with that. The band have taken me to places no other band has, and for that I am very grateful.
 
I realize this may not be popular, but these days I can't listen to any 2 drummer era concerts. It's just too good with Bill as the only drummer. The whole band is very spritely, dynamic, and turns on a dime :-)
I can't help but think of the 2 drummer stuff as a lumbering beast. That said, Steal Town Pittsburg right after Brent joined (Dec 79 I think) is pretty great. Especially the jams.
 
So I've heard. :p

That was a pretty good year to be living in Philly. A few other shows I saw then:

Mahavishnu Orchestra original lineup, + horns.

Pink Floyd, Dark Side debut tour.

David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust tour, Tower Theater

Jefferson Airplane

Hot Tuna

I don't think any of those shows cost more than $6-7 bucks back then.

Awesome. Im jealous. Make sure you give that show a good listen. Its one of my all time favorites. Everything is just so well played. :bassist:
 
And those are the only times I've heard the Dead live. Although my experience of the music has been overwhelmingly record-based, and UK-based, I'm very ok with that. The band have taken me to places no other band has, and for that I am very grateful indeed.

Cool. Oddly enough, the Dead and especially Phil were my signposts to all those people you mentioned in the beginning of your second paragraph.
 
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