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"Poopie"...are you ****ing kiding???

Jeff Bonny

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I just used in a post a common four letter slang word for excrement beginning with S and ending with T fully expecting to see **** in my post. Instead it changes it to "poopie"? No shaging way man. I know the rules are the rules but I write the way I speak and if that needs to get ****ed out to save some imaginary delicate ears I'm resigned to that BUT DO NOT CHANGE WHAT I SAY INTO SOME CUTESIE MAKE ME WANNA PUKE JUNE CLEAVER BS. You've make some excellent changes to the site lately but this is not one of them. It's utterly outrageous and begs for a creative workaround.
 
I do tend to agree with the sentiment that we protect ourselves from too much these days. If a parent doesn't want their children exposed, then don't leave browser windows open.

HOWEVER, I do like that this site does have rules against it. It is nice to see a discussion that doesn't breakdown into expletives when the discussion doesn't go as an OP or responder intends. It seems to promote more mature discourse.

And, if you must see your original expletives....go to another forum. 1st world problems, indeed.
 
I think it's fine to have an automated system censor language that violates the rules, and replacing the offending letters with asterisks seems a fair visual equivalent of the "bleep" sounds used on television. But replacing someone's word with another word -- especially one chosen by admins for their own amusement -- is wrong.
 
Can we have a word substitution for bass - "old lady". Put new strings on my old lady today! Got a new old lady today! This could be fun!

New Old Lady Day.
What's the best Old Lady for metal?
Gassing for a new Old Lady
I'm tired of my Old Lady, should I get a new one?
How many Old Ladies do you own?
Relic'd Old Lady - thoughts?
What's the resale value of my Old Lady?
How much does your Old Lady weigh?
Do you bring more than one Old Lady to a gig?
Help! Someone walked off with my Old Lady after a gig
 
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I realize that this might seem like a trivial matter, so I don't blame anyone for having some fun with it, but I think there is a genuinely serious issue here.

When you use profanity, there is usually a purpose to it: It helps to convey something beyond your other words. For example, it might be to emphasize how strongly you feel about something, or to convey an emotion such as anger or contempt, or for a certain kind of humorous effect. In face-to-face communication, you can express these kinds of things using tone of voice, facial expressions, gestures, and so on, but in writing you don't have those options, other than perhaps putting a word in a different font or adding an appropriate emoticon: The effectiveness of your communication depends entirely on the specific words you you use. When you say that an amp sounds like s**** or that someone is full of s****, it really matters that you used the word s**** rather than something else, in terms of accurately conveying the message you intend.

Conversely, when an adult uses the word "poopie" in a conversation with another adult, this suggests that the message one intends to convey is very different: You'd only use that word if you were trying to convey a very different kind of message: e.g., you're trying to be "cutsie" (expressing a particular kind of humor), and/or you are deliberately to make clear that you are not being serious (or not feeling genuinely angry, etc.). So, changing the word "s***" to "poopie" can fundamentally change the meaning of a communication, as interpreted by those who read it. And that's why OP is so (justifiably) upset. If his profanity had been replaced by a string of asterisks, everyone would be able to accurately infer that he had used a "bad word" -- even if they couldn't be sure which particular word he had used -- and that he hadn't written "poopie" deliberately; they would therefore interpret his message very differently.

So, although the automated s***-to-poopie conversion is a cute idea, I think it is entirely inappropriate because it has very real effects on the way a person's posted message is interpreted. I usually find myself siding with the admins on issues like this, but this time I'm firmly in OP's court.
 
**** that Chris, **** that. Mask my words if you must but DO NOT ****ING CHANGE THEM. You might think it's "fun" but it's wrong.

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I like how twice now you've commanded your words not be changed as if it's your choice. The profanity rules have always been here. If you can't be bothered to follow them, don't complain when the autocensor has its way with it.

I love the poopie filter. Knocking puzzle pieces out of internet Leroy Browns since 2015 :D
 
In case anyone is interested, here's a link to a very entertaining and informative lecture by renowned MIT psycholinguist Steven Pinker on the function of profanity in human language:



This is part 1 of 2 parts. It's about 10 minutes long, and you should find a link there to the similar-length part 2 of the lecture. (I don't know why there isn't a part 3, but the first two parts are sufficient for present purposes.)

I feel sure that anyone who watches this will come away convinced that it really does matter if someone's use of the word "s***" is arbitarily changed to "poopie" in a given context, such as a TB post.
 
I don't give a poopie what some psyhobabbling fool from MIT has to say about it.

Damn! That really DOES change the meaning.

I suppose I could get around it by saying ****!!, that won't get changed. Puts the onus on me and not the site admin. Hmmmm....seems reasonable to me.
 
TalkBass is a truly marvelous forum and database that might be in use by bass players many years from now. It will almost certainly be used by historians and sociologists in the future if it isn't being already. An accurate account of what people said and how they said it is important for us to be leaving behind. Mask words that today seem offensive if you must but do not change them. What I really wrote is an accurate representation of my intent and my culture.

I was pleased to see the recent system change that when I use a currently prohibited word while it displays in the public post as asterisks when I edit it exactly what I wrote is preserved. The recent allowing of the formerly prohibited acronym "***" demonstrates why this is important: standards and usage change. "Damn" is an excellent example of a word which at one time in the not so distant past would have been deemed unsuitable for an all ages discussion. It is not inconceivable that the particular word in question here will at some point seem quite inoffensive and the mask will be lifted by future admins. When this happens what we all really said should become visible instead of the self imposed asterisks people will be forced to type to convey their true intent....and most of us will type asterisks rather than allow our posts to be pooped on. The reality is that cutesie replacements serve no useful or positive purpose whatsoever. The asterisk system did not require this "fix" as it was not at all broken.

Given the nature of open discussion within clearly defined parameters at TalkBass and the inevitability of it's being used well into the foreseeable future changing people's words to convey what they did not intend is blatantly shortsighted and certainly wrong.
 
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The profanity rules have always been here. If you can't be bothered to follow them, don't complain when the autocensor has its way with it.

This was pretty much the thinking in the discussion that led to the autocensor. These rules have always been there. People tended to ignore them, which caused more work for the moderators, who - let's be honest - don't really want to waste precious moments of their all-too-short lives on earth editing profanity rule-breaking posts, or worse, issuing infractions for people who repeatedly ignored them. The auto censor is just a way to save that time. Anyone who doesn't want to bother worrying about the rule can go ahead and type the profanity and the software will change it. Anyone who doesn't like what the software does with it can use the * key to make the covered up profanity look the way they want.