"Poopie"...are you ****ing kiding???

[Jeff Bonny]

I just used in a post a common four letter slang word for excrement beginning with S and ending with T fully expecting to see **** in my post. Instead it changes it to "poopie"? No shaging way man. I know the rules are the rules but I write the way I speak and if that needs to get ****ed out to save some imaginary delicate ears I'm resigned to that BUT DO NOT CHANGE WHAT I SAY INTO SOME CUTESIE MAKE ME WANNA PUKE JUNE CLEAVER BS. You've make some excellent changes to the site lately but this is not one of them. It's utterly outrageous and begs for a creative workaround.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

I feel sure that anyone who watches this will come away convinced that it really does matter if someone's use of the word "s***" is arbitarily changed to "poopie" in a given context, such as a TB post.

Except that you can't say **** here, and you know that. No amount of literary importance will ever make the word appear- at the very most, it will appear as four asterisks in a row. If the word is of such meaning that it needs to be shown as those four asterisks, then type those four asterisks. But that's not really the case 99% of the time, now is it? Most people who are typing out **** aren't doing it because it's the very best word for the job. Whatever meaning you want to say is behind the use of using **** is negated before you write it, as you know the word won't appear. So it boils down to a matter of laziness, either by not expanding your vocabulary to find a better way to express yourself or by expecting the filter to do the work for you by autocensoring it so you don't get a profanity infraction.

And really, no one's writing novels here. Have a sense of humor for poopie's sake.

 

[JMacBass65]

I understand that obscenity isn't protected speech according to our first amendment but random replacement is creepier than having the word censored which is more acceptable IMO

I knew somebody would drag the first amendment into this. Drives me nuts!

The first amendment protects us from government censorship and has ZERO to do with this situation.

Just because you have 1st amendment protections it doesn't mean you have a forum (no pun intended) to speak anywhere and anyhow you like.

Same reason they can forbid political speech here. They can do whatever they want, it's a free "ish" country. If you don't like it, take your poopie somewhere else where you can say poopie all day long.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Side note: a roommate I had after college began using "poopie" (not ****) as a term of endearment for his girlfriend, which spread to all of us calling each other poopie for several months.

 

[Jeff Bonny]

I like how twice now you've commanded your words not be changed as if it's your choice.

Plain and simple Bryan I am a badass. Over the years I've learned to get along here pretty well within the rules and these days despite what you seem to want to attribute to me I take very little issue with them now. I appreciate the hard work and thoughtfulness of the admins. I'm not a gold supporting member for nothing.

The profanity rules have always been here. If you can't be bothered to follow them, don't complain when the autocensor has its way with it.

You are not only missing the point you are putting words in my mouth. I have no problem with the profanity rules as they were. Re-read my last post.

I love the poopie filter.

Myopic.

 

[Luke19Boarder]

I realize that this might seem like a trivial matter, so I don't blame anyone for having some fun with it, but I think there is a genuinely serious issue here.

When you use profanity, there is usually a purpose to it: It helps to convey something beyond your other words. For example, it might be to emphasize how strongly you feel about something, or to convey an emotion such as anger or contempt, or for a certain kind of humorous effect. In face-to-face communication, you can express these kinds of things using tone of voice, facial expressions, gestures, and so on, but in writing you don't have those options, other than perhaps putting a word in a different font or adding an appropriate emoticon: The effectiveness of your communication depends entirely on the specific words you you use. When you say that an amp sounds like s**** or that someone is full of s****, it really matters that you used the word s**** rather than something else, in terms of accurately conveying the message you intend.

Conversely, when an adult uses the word "poopie" in a conversation with another adult, this suggests that the message one intends to convey is very different: You'd only use that word if you were trying to convey a very different kind of message: e.g., you're trying to be "cutsie" (expressing a particular kind of humor), and/or you are deliberately to make clear that you are not being serious (or not feeling genuinely angry, etc.). So, changing the word "s***" to "poopie" can fundamentally change the meaning of a communication, as interpreted by those who read it. And that's why OP is so (justifiably) upset. If his profanity had been replaced by a string of asterisks, everyone would be able to accurately infer that he had used a "bad word" -- even if they couldn't be sure which particular word he had used -- and that he hadn't written "poopie" deliberately; they would therefore interpret his message very differently.

So, although the automated s***-to-poopie conversion is a cute idea, I think it is entirely inappropriate because it has very real effects on the way a person's posted message is interpreted. I usually find myself siding with the admins on issues like this, but this time I'm firmly in OP's court.

That's all well and good, but the reality is that swearing is against the rules. Always has been, (likely) always will be. Don't want your message changed? Easy. Follow the rules.

Additionally, it's pretty known throughout the forums that the ****-to-poopie translation exists (or should be if you spend enough time here)... so when someone reads a message that says "poopie," they should generally know what word the poster actually used. I don't see posts being taken out of context or misinterpreted as a pertinent issue in this case.

 

[bass12]

If kids aren't old enough to be exposed to swearing then they probably shouldn't be on the internet.

 

[Luke19Boarder]

If kids aren't old enough to be exposed to swearing then they probably shouldn't be on the internet.

Yup, but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

If kids aren't old enough to be exposed to swearing then they probably shouldn't be on the internet.

That could go for a million things. We aren't going to allow porn or gore on TB just because it's common on the internet either.

 

[zenrad]

I knew somebody would drag the first amendment into this. Drives me nuts!

The first amendment protects us from government censorship and has ZERO to do with this situation.

Just because you have 1st amendment protections it doesn't mean you have a forum (no pun intended) to speak anywhere and anyhow you like.

Same reason they can forbid political speech here. They can do whatever they want, it's a free "ish" country. If you don't like it, take your poopie somewhere else where you can say poopie all day long.

Pardon me for "dragging" my rights into an issue. I clearly stated that obscenities are not a form of protected speech. What is it about being aware of my rights as a free man and US citizen that upsets you?

 

[bass12]

That could go for a million things. We aren't going to allow porn or gore on TB just because it's common on the internet either.

I don't see porn or gore as having a place in a bass forum, but the odd alluding to a swear word (with the use of asteriks) is, to me, a very different matter. If TB wants to maintain a certain level of decorum for the sake of "decency" then fine, but to use kids as an excuse - especially with the reasoning of, "My kids are sometimes watching when I surf TB"? That just sounds weak to me.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Except it's true. My daughter was just sitting next to me while I was on TB on my iPad. You can (and should) set allowed and disallowed sites for your kids when they access the Internet. Having TB be a safe place to allow your 13yo to go when they're learning to play bass is a good thing. We can't control what kids see or hear elsewhere, but it's not an inadmirable goal to try to make TB a place like that.

 

[Luke19Boarder]

I don't see porn or gore as having a place in a bass forum.

Rule 34 states otherwise.

 

[5StringBlues]

Hell man, my great grandaughter cant even put together a full sentence yet, but she picked up a tablet recently, rambled some nonsense into Google voice, and had Looney Tunes cartoons playing in no time!


Kids ARE and WILL BE on the internet. I'm hoping she can teach me how to use the technology better.

 

[bass12]

Rule 34 states otherwise.

Rule 34 states that I see porn and gore as having a place on TB?

 

[5StringBlues]

I don't see porn or gore as having a place in a bass forum

Me neither. Especially combined.

 

[Luke19Boarder]

Rule 34 states that I see porn and gore as having a place on TB?

Rule 34 even goes a step further, stating that there is, in fact, porn about you seeing porn and gore as having a place on TB

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Holy poopie....that's shagged up!

 

[JMacBass65]

Pardon me for "dragging" my rights into an issue. I clearly stated that obscenities are not a form of protected speech. What is it about being aware of my rights as a free man and US citizen that upsets you?

Profanity isn't relevant to my point.

It's that you (and so many others) don't understand your rights. You have ZERO right to say whatever you want on an internet forum. PERIOD. Unless......you start your own. You are a free man, start a competing bass forum and you can make your own rules.

As it stands - the owner here sets the rules, and this is NOT an infringement of your rights.

To take the profanity bit out of it - the owner of this forum could decide that we never are to speak of Rickenbackers here ever again, and he could have all mention of them auto deleted.

This would NOT be a violation of your rights.

Don't believe me, call a lawyer and try to take some action, better than that, call the Justice Department - you'll be laughed at.

 

[zenrad]

Profanity isn't relevant to my point.

It's that you (and so many others) don't understand your rights. You have ZERO right to say whatever you want on an internet forum. PERIOD. Unless......you start your own. You are a free man, start a competing bass forum and you can make your own rules.

As it stands - the owner here sets the rules, and this is NOT an infringement of your rights.

To take the profanity bit out of it - the owner of this forum could decide that we never are to speak of Rickenbackers here ever again, and he could have all mention of them auto deleted.

This would NOT be a violation of your rights.

Don't believe me, call a lawyer and try to take some action, better than that, call the Justice Department - you'll be laughed at.

You have quite a bug up your a** buddy. First of all don't tell me what I understand. I never claimed my rights were being violated. Why don't you read what I said...here, I'll post it again for you...

"I understand that obscenity isn't protected speech according to our first amendment but random replacement is creepier than having the word censored which is more acceptable IMO".

You seemed disturbed that I brought up the first amendment, I asked what bothered you about my awareness of having rights. Maybe if you had a bit better reading comprehension you would have understood my point. Your tone towards everyone in this conversation is insulting and condescending. You may have to accept that people have different opinions. I stated mine, and I will state again that I feel that censoring is better than replacing words.

 

[ggoat!!!]

Rule 34 states that I see porn and gore as having a place on TB?