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Potentiometer swap to get more brightness question

Tried something today (free and easy) : unplugged the tone knob. To my biggest surprise, it made the sound clearer and the output is a little bit higher. I don’t know why, but it does it. The only thing is that in « single coil » mode, the sounds gets a little bit harsh. The tone knob is beneficial in single mode. So, I’ll try turning my (rarely used) bass cut switch into an on/off switch for the tone. All free, so worth trying out!
The tone knob connects the pickups to ground across a resistor and a capacitor. When you have it turned all the way up, the maximum amount of resistance is present. Some current leaves the circuit, primarily matching higher frequency sounds. The higher the resistance, the less frequency is lost. That is why 500k pots sound brighter than 250k pots.

The same thing happens with a volume pot, just without the capacitor. The capacitor only lets frequencies above a certain level pass through. If you take the volume pot out, it will brighten up more.
 
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The difference between the tone pot and the volume pot is that when you turn volume down, the resistance stays in the circuit. When you turn down the tone, the resistance leaves the circuit. Depending on how you wire the volume, it may affect the highs more.
Yes, that's exactly how I visualize it, empirically. But the way you phrased it allows me to see it in a slightly different light, which is helpful because it will make things simpler for me from now on. Thanks! :)
 
Depending on how you wire the volume, it may affect the highs more.
Would you agree that in a simple bass circuit (where frequencies over ±4Khz don't matter much 99% of the time), or in guitars with dark humbuckers, the volume pot value (as long as inside the usual values) has such a negligible impact on the audible frequency response that it can most of the time be entirely ignored? Or am I wrong about this in your opinion?
 
Would you agree that in a simple bass circuit (where frequencies over ±4Khz don't matter much 99% of the time), or in guitars with dark humbuckers, the volume pot value (as long as inside the usual values) has such a negligible impact on the audible frequency response that it can most of the time be entirely ignored? Or am I wrong about this in your opinion?
I think it has an effect. Also, what I meant in my post is that the output from the pickup can either be wired to the center lug or the 3rd lug to function like normal. The difference between this is the distance between ground and the pickup will always include the full resistance of the volume pot on the 3rd lug. On the center lug, as you turn down volume, the resistance to ground decreases. The latter will sound darker as you turn volume down.
 
I think it has an effect.
It's a fact that it does, electrically speaking (even though I still don't entirely understand how, lol). It can be measured. I'm not questioning that in anyway.

I'll try to make my question clearer. Please bare with me :laugh:

What I ask myself is, is the effect of increasing the value of the volume pot of a bass ever audible in real-world, since the frequencies impacted are out of the bass useful range, expect in very specific instances.

When recording bass, anything over ±4Khz disappears in the mix, unless the bass is solo'ed or mixed very upfront (AND the pickups are bright single coils AND the strings are roundwound and fresh AND the bass is recorded direct etc..! Lots of IF'es...). And worse, when using bass cabs! The quasi-totality of bass cabs, out of axis, can't reproduce properly frequencies over 6-7Khz (and not even that for most of them). Most bass players even use bass cabs without any sort of tweeter, which of course severly limits the useful (out of axis) frequency range even more.

So in a bass (guitars are another matter), is there any real use to try and get a mere +1,5db over 7Khz from replacing a 250k pot with a 1000k one? Is there a sound reason for me (except in very specific instances), for the reasons exposed above, to focus on volume pot value when trying to increase the overall brightness of the instrument?
 
It's a fact that it does, electrically speaking (even though I still don't entirely understand how, lol). It can be measured. I'm not questioning that in anyway.

I'll try to make my question clearer. Please bare with me :laugh:

What I ask myself is, is the effect of increasing the value of the volume pot of a bass ever audible in real-world, since the frequencies impacted are out of the bass useful range, expect in very specific instances.

When recording bass, anything over ±4Khz disappears in the mix, unless the bass is solo'ed or mixed very upfront (AND the pickups are bright single coils AND the strings are roundwound and fresh AND the bass is recorded direct etc..! Lots of IF'es...). And worse, when using bass cabs! The quasi-totality of bass cabs, out of axis, can't reproduce properly frequencies over 6-7Khz (and not even that for most of them). Most bass players even use bass cabs without any sort of tweeter, which of course severly limits the useful (out of axis) frequency range even more.

So in a bass (guitars are another matter), is there any real use to try and get a mere +1,5db over 7Khz from replacing a 250k pot with a 1000k one? Is there a sound reason for me (except in very specific instances), for the reasons exposed above, to focus on volume pot value when trying to increase the overall brightness of the instrument?
I don't know the specific numbers you are using, but you could test it out by pypassing the volume on your bass. Most people seem to think it makes a difference. If it makes no difference bypassing the volume, then a higher pot value will not matter.
 
Ok... I must admit lots of you guys lost me in the technical stuff, though it’s interesting to read...

I’ve decided for the moment to simply remove the tone knob fro the circuit, as well as the bass cut switch I had made. Running the volume knobs straight to the output simply sounds great! I thought that using the pickups in « single coil » sounded harsh at first, but a simple eq fix on the amp solved that. And in humbucker mode, it’s just awesome!

Anyways, that bass is currently loaded with a producer knob and switch! Honestly, I’ll try to find something else to put in there. I’ll start a separate thread for that.

Thanks for your help!
 
5) Passive Bass Cut Tone Control...it won't really brighten your sound, but it will make it less dark.

I actually had a passive bass cut switch, which was too drastic. I’m considering a passive bass cut knob now (which would be great in humbucker mode). I know how to do it, but I just wonder what potentiometer value I should use for that control considering I’m keeping the 250k ohm volume pots and I don’t wanna loose the brightness I’ve just re-gained by disconnecting the tone knob!

What potentiometer value should I use : 250k, 500k... 1m?
 
Hi!

I’m trying to get more brightness out of my Lace Alumitone Bassbars in humbucking mode (bright enough in single coil mode).

What would give a better result between:
1) replace the 250k volume pots for 500k or 1m ?
2) use a no load tone knob (or install a tone bypass switch) ? - I’m currently using a Fender TBX tone by the way.
3) other options?

I think option 1 has some merit. I believe Les Pauls are made with a 500k tone pot for extra brightness since they've got humbuckers, whereas Fender Strats have 250k since they're single coils and naturally brighter.