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Preference For Sealed Cabs? Why?

#302
I like the svt 810 sound, but it can't (I mean that in the hopeful way) actually require an svt 810 to get it.... Personally I used va $25 behringer pedal through my amp or the board to get the sound.

But in a cab I guarantee its possible without the size and weight. However attempts by ampeg have been pretty good but not really the same, so far
 
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dukeorock said:
It's THE classic rig for many, no denying it. Many companies have figured out how to make great sounding amps and cabs at a fraction of the weight, but is it 'better?' 'Close enough?' Many would say yes. Others are just no longer willing to schlep such a rig around town. In Nashville, most clubs have house rigs that many players are content to use. I'm not one of them :) So I have to find my own compromises. Most of my local gigs are a very quick in and out, no soundcheck. I'm pretty fussy about my upright tone, so my rig is probably more involved than most. My rack weighs about 40lbs, but everything is wired up, so it's a quick set up and tear down-

*Michael Pope MPP2
dbx 31 band graphic eq (bypassed unless the room is tricky)
Class D power amp

My proto cab weighs about 45lbs and I'm running 1k watts at 8 ohms.

Not the tiniest rig by a mile, but it's pretty huge performance for my doubling gigs.
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I think it's only recently I've been looking at what DB players use as amplification - it's a harder task I think than EB amplification as I would think you can get by with randomly coloured cabs/amps easier in the EB world. It was a sealed cab combo made by a tiny UK company that I saw that got me interested enough to come to this thread - I like the idea that the pro to sealed cab is getting used with a DB - no doubt even I could design some random sealed cab system that would be "ok" enough for EB - but you've developed something that's good enough to work with DB :) that's pretty cool! :D
 
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dukeorock said:
It's THE classic rig for many, no denying it. Many companies have figured out how to make great sounding amps and cabs at a fraction of the weight, but is it 'better?' 'Close enough?' Many would say yes. Others are just no longer willing to schlep such a rig around town....
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IMO, there's no such thing as "better" when it comes to gear. It's all about finding one's personal tone nirvana by whatever gears it takes to reach that. Keeping in mind that I think a large part of what makes and SVT810 work so well, is the SVT head itself. It's a magical combination and when it comes to rock n roll, it does represent the standard in bass amp tone in much the same ways as a Fender Jazz bass or P-Bass represents the standard in instruments. The SVT tone is instantly recognizable and works in so many situations. Would I carry one around these days? No, not at my age, but I was more than happy carting one around when I was in my 20's. For me, there's something special about the SVT 810 experience that you just can't get from a lightweight, solid state head and small ported cab. Is it worth carting one of these monsters around? That's up to the individual to decide.
 
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Laklandfan said:
I know you love green boy cabs, duke. Would you say that a sealed cabinet would have a place in the line? Are dually and basic cabs sealed or ported? What about plugging the ports on a fearful cab, would that have the same effect?
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All greenboy cabs are ported and I don't see that changing any time soon. Plugging the ports doesn't really have the same effect, though I have blocked ports on gb cabs in especially nasty rooms before.

I'm not really sure that a sealed cab fit's Dave Green's aesthetics, really, which is fine. He's great at what he does. The sealed cabs I've been toying around with are for my own fun/research :)
 
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Luke the Fluke said:
I think it's only recently I've been looking at what DB players use as amplification - it's a harder task I think than EB amplification as I would think you can get by with randomly coloured cabs/amps easier in the EB world. It was a sealed cab combo made by a tiny UK company that I saw that got me interested enough to come to this thread - I like the idea that the pro to sealed cab is getting used with a DB - no doubt even I could design some random sealed cab system that would be "ok" enough for EB - but you've developed something that's good enough to work with DB :) that's pretty cool! :D
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Whether a sealed cab is ideal for upright is a matter of opinion, for sure! I see some real advantages to it in many rooms for myself, but a lot of DB players favor super small, light cabs, which may rule the sealed thing out for them. My proto cab is about 26"H and weighs 45lbs. For me, that's very manageable because most of my bands are pretty loud and this cab will get loud :)
 
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Plugging the ports on a cab that uses alignments and woofers, etc. designed to get the most out of a ported design us quite a different thing than designing a system around a woofer that is at home in a sealed box are two entirely different things....but you all knew that. :)






Ahem..... definimax 4015LF....cough, cough.........assuming weight is way down there on the list. :)
 
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will33 said:
Plugging the ports on a cab that uses alignments and woofers, etc. designed to get the most out of a ported design us quite a different thing than designing a system around a woofer that is at home in a sealed box are two entirely different things....but you all knew that. :)






Ahem..... definimax 4015LF....cough, cough.........assuming weight is way down there on the list. :)
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Build me a free Baltic birch 115 or 215 with the 4015lf and I'll try it out for you.
 
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dukeorock said:
Whether a sealed cab is ideal for upright is a matter of opinion, for sure! I see some real advantages to it in many rooms for myself, but a lot of DB players favor super small, light cabs, which may rule the sealed thing out for them. My proto cab is about 26"H and weighs 45lbs. For me, that's very manageable because most of my bands are pretty loud and this cab will get loud :)
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Are you going to have it with you at the Double Door next week, Mark? 'Cause I'm gonna be there!:D
 
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Laklandfan said:
What's wrong with the Faital mid and the high? Is there a non lf 4015?
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Nothing at all wrong with mids like that. I run some PA mids In my biamping escapades as well. It's just guitar speakers impart a character and complexity those don't. Wonderfully "not hifi".

There is an HO variant of the Definimax, but they don't have enough balls down low for bass, IMO. More like a super high power handling PA woofer that can ride with a 2" horn above it.

You do realize a single 15" Definimax LF weighs like 23lbs. don't you? :)
 
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will33 said:
Nothing at all wrong with mids like that. I run some PA mids In my biamping escapades as well. It's just guitar speakers impart a character and complexity those don't. Wonderfully "not hifi".

There is an HO variant of the Definimax, but they don't have enough balls down low for bass, IMO. More like a super high power handling PA woofer that can ride with a 2" horn above it.

You do realize a single 15" Definimax LF weighs like 23lbs. don't you? :)
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Yep, casters or a dolly is needed.
 

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