Put that way I can see your argument, but do not agree. The way my mind is wired I see it as defending his kid. Many here have already made the determination that this was revenge, not protection. That is the way I read what you are writing.
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Protect your child, go to jail.
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Put that way I can see your argument, but do not agree. The way my mind is wired I see it as defending his kid. Many here have already made the determination that this was revenge, not protection. That is the way I read what you are writing.
Thanks for taking that out of context. I also think part I bolded is BS. If you see your kid in a situation that is going to cause him harm you react you don't think at that point in time. Especally if that harm is comming form an adult. If some dude put his hands on my son in a sexual way I would beat the crap out of him in defence of my kid.
Beating the crap out of someone isn't defense unless they have some sort of stranglehold on your child. In this context it's retaliation. Not wrong, per say, just not defense.
If this did happen as reported, then fine. I've got 3 kids myself and probably WOULD have done the same without thinking.
But there's no surprise here, the guy DID break the law even though we all (including myself) sympathize with him. He will likely will be cleared by a sympathetic jury and go free. The justice system can be a pain in the *ss and seem unfair but often works just fine. Albiet at the speed of a slug crawling uphill in a blizzard...
Both he and his kid are lucky though that he didn't go too far in his enthusiasm. He's not going to do a whole lot of protecting his kid if his *ss ended up in the pokey for killing the dude..
But there's no surprise here, the guy DID break the law even though we all (including myself) sympathize with him. He will likely will be cleared by a sympathetic jury and go free. The justice system can be a pain in the *ss and seem unfair but often works just fine. Albiet at the speed of a slug crawling uphill in a blizzard...
Both he and his kid are lucky though that he didn't go too far in his enthusiasm. He's not going to do a whole lot of protecting his kid if his *ss ended up in the pokey for killing the dude..
Bingo... as my mom always said, two wrongs don't make a right.
...and I'd probably have done worse if he touched my kid, but the law is the law. You can use force to stop the problem, but once danger has been averted you don't get revenge... hopefully you get justice.
I've read that the dad passed out flyers stating the old man's name, the grocery store's name, and that the old man molested his kid and still works there. Heck, that sounds like justice to me.
I had a teacher that grabbed my wrist once. My Dad shoulda beat him up and passed around libelous flyers about him.
My boss patted me on the back after I got done doing a tough job, he said, "Good work, son." I shoulda put him in a wristlock and pressed sexual harassment charges against him. And then passed around flyers saying that he touched my back in a sexual manner and whispered sweet nothings in my ear.
Anyway, I think this is completely blown out of proportion. The media handled this horribly, and everyone jumped to conclusions and condoned physically assaulting a 71 year old man for touching a kid on the calf with his hand.
Sounds fair to me.
I had a teacher that grabbed my wrist once. My Dad shoulda beat him up and passed around libelous flyers about him.
My boss patted me on the back after I got done doing a tough job, he said, "Good work, son." I shoulda put him in a wristlock and pressed sexual harassment charges against him. And then passed around flyers saying that he touched my back in a sexual manner and whispered sweet nothings in my ear.
Anyway, I think this is completely blown out of proportion. The media handled this horribly, and everyone jumped to conclusions and condoned physically assaulting a 71 year old man for touching a kid on the calf with his hand.
Sounds fair to me.
+10000. Exactly right.
Damn straight. This is OT, where we settle for nothing less than frontier justice, swiftly applied!
To wit...By the way, is there such a thing as automated castration?
there's no manor of touching a child across the barrier of a stall in a bathroom that doesn't lead to jail time and a lifetime on the sex offender's list.I've read that the dad passed out flyers stating the old man's name, the grocery store's name, and that the old man molested his kid and still works there. Heck, that sounds like justice to me.
I had a teacher that grabbed my wrist once. My Dad shoulda beat him up and passed around libelous flyers about him.
My boss patted me on the back after I got done doing a tough job, he said, "Good work, son." I shoulda put him in a wristlock and pressed sexual harassment charges against him. And then passed around flyers saying that he touched my back in a sexual manner and whispered sweet nothings in my ear.
Anyway, I think this is completely blown out of proportion. The media handled this horribly, and everyone jumped to conclusions and condoned physically assaulting a 71 year old man for touching a kid on the calf with his hand.
Sounds fair to me.
if the article is correct and he's charged with assault and not battery I doubt he'll see any jail time. What he did was illegal and the record will show that. But he's not likely to get more than a slap on the wrist.
I believe he meant physical castration as opposed to chemical castration.+10000. Exactly right.
Damn straight. This is OT, where we settle for nothing less than frontier justice, swiftly applied!
By the way, is there such a thing as automated castration?
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!
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maybe the kid doesn't like certain ethnic foods so he's racist...or maybe he made a reference to a black hole...
or maybe -insert media crusade du jour here-
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Like I said before (amidst lots of testicle flashing, huffing and puffing, grunting, and posturing), This might be a case of an old man needing an evaluation to make sure he's firing on all cylinders.
I just can't think this through and wind up at the groping and molesting situation that everyone else seems to have arrived at. Sounds more like:
Old man made a horrible judgment call and tried to make pals with the wrong kid.
I know everything isn't available in a CandyLand version like I seem to have visualized... but molesting a kid in a public restroom with other people in view (and the old guy probably knew they were there)? And getting jollies on touching a kids lower leg?
Doesn't add up to me. But then again, I'm horrible at math.
well being that he's only been charged with indecent assault and battery if he doesn't bail out he'll get time served and a psychological evaluation and have to get treatment for whatever they find wrong. Well that is if the law there is similar to the IL laws.
If he weren't beaten he probably would have been charged with worse.
Either way I think the beating would be effective and the old man wouldn't be touching any boys in the bathroom anymore...
Ah, the death of outrage.
We'll all be a lot better off when the State is feeding us through Nasogastric tubes as we lie in a semi-comatose state for our cultural conditioning sessions.
We'll all be a lot better off when the State is feeding us through Nasogastric tubes as we lie in a semi-comatose state for our cultural conditioning sessions.
No, I'm most assuredly not kidding. Did you read the article? Boy's at a urinal. Chester is in a stall. He reaches under the stall to touch the kid's leg, allegedly to startle him. Not his buttocks or genitals, his leg. Dad was right there, saw it happen. If Chester's in the stall, how do you protect the kid? Pick him up and move him 12 inches away from the stall. There, protected. Call the police and file the report, alert management, scream "pervert!", do what you gotta do, but the boy is out of Chester's reach and already protected. Kicking in the stall door and administering a beat-down? Understandable, but clearly an act of vigilante justice, and thus assault charges apply. Like I said, wait and see if dad's charges actually stick, or if he's convicted and punished.
...And for that I'd recommend anger management for you, or maybe some good ol' fashioned therapy perhaps.
I am not opposed to getting physical if needs require it, and I'll admit as I have before that I would have probably reacted the same way as this father did if I were in his shoes, but I also acknowledge that such measures are just plain unnecessary. I'm a lover, not a fighter, and accepting responsibility for my actions would be a must if I went and beat up on some old dude if my child or I were not in danger.
Rubble rubble rubble!
How's that Ivory Tower there Mark? Comfortable?
It's easy for you to sit there and armchair QB this thing. You have no children to be responsible for. And you only seem have the vaguest notion of how damaging this kind of predatory behavior is. The fact that this pervert did it in front of the boy's father indicates how little the molester cares.
Additionally, this is only the first time the pervert in question has been caught.
Hopefully the father will not stand trial due to the mitigating circumstances.
