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Quilter Bass Block

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shwashwa said:
Thanks for the great reply. will the signal coming out of the line out be too hot to put into the normal input of another amp?
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I would think it would be pretty hot, but don’t know. I’ve used it as a DI, and never had a soundman mention a super hot signal.

Remember it’s tied to everything, including the master. The intended use would be to go in the line in of another Quilter, in which case you would bypass the front end of amp #2 and just be using the power section. If you go in the front end of amp 2, you are adding a whole other gain stage and lots of opertunity for clipping.

If you are going to try it, just start with everything very low. You might use the pad or active input and keep the gain low on the second amp. Work it up slow and use your ears. Lots of gain stages in this scenario, so you are just going to have to balance all that.

You could run into the FX return of the second amp maybe.
 
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hennessybass said:
@shwashwa maybe if you tell a little more about your set up, gear, and goals, we can put our collective heads together and help you get there.
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Thanks! I'm just trying to jerry-rig a set up with stuff that I already own without buying anything new. I want to run two mismatched cabinets that when plugged into the same amp you can only hear one of them because it overpowers the other. If each one has their own amp I can use one to power the house and one as a personal monitor. I know I can use my Walter woods di out into the quilter. That would work fine, I'm just trying to see what other options I have. I'm even considering a qsc power amp with two channels so there's less to carry, but it's a size increase
 
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shwashwa said:
Thanks! I'm just trying to jerry-rig a set up with stuff that I already own without buying anything new. I want to run two mismatched cabinets that when plugged into the same amp you can only hear one of them because it overpowers the other. If each one has their own amp I can use one to power the house and one as a personal monitor. I know I can use my Walter woods di out into the quilter. That would work fine, I'm just trying to see what other options I have. I'm even considering a qsc power amp with two channels so there's less to carry, but it's a size increase
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So I assume this is for gigs where you don't have PA?
 
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TrevorOfDoom said:
So I assume this is for gigs where you don't have PA?
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Correct, and I'm an upright player so I need to hear my intonation. The speaker that I'm using as my monitor is not getting any volume when I plug it in with another speaker, so I'm giving each one their own amp and volume control. Seems to work so far at the house. If I could snag a Walter woods stereo amp that would be ideal. I already own a quilter, so using one Walter and one quilter also seems to work. Two quilters would be interesting also. Also considering a quilter and one of these tiny mono power amps, or a QSC power amp
 
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shwashwa said:
Correct, and I'm an upright player so I need to hear my intonation. The speaker that I'm using as my monitor is not getting any volume when I plug it in with another speaker, so I'm giving each one their own amp and volume control. Seems to work so far at the house. If I could snag a Walter woods stereo amp that would be ideal. I already own a quilter, so using one Walter and one quilter also seems to work. Two quilters would be interesting also. Also considering a quilter and one of these tiny mono power amps, or a QSC power amp
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Explain please, “the speaker that i’m using as my monitor is not getting any volume when i plug it in with another speaker...”
What speakers? How are they arranged on stage? What are you powering them with?
More speaker should equal more volume, and more power to said speakers.
 
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shwashwa said:
Correct, and I'm an upright player so I need to hear my intonation. The speaker that I'm using as my monitor is not getting any volume when I plug it in with another speaker, so I'm giving each one their own amp and volume control. Seems to work so far at the house. If I could snag a Walter woods stereo amp that would be ideal. I already own a quilter, so using one Walter and one quilter also seems to work. Two quilters would be interesting also. Also considering a quilter and one of these tiny mono power amps, or a QSC power amp
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If you could find one an old SWR Amplite mono power amp would work for you. About the same footprint as the Quilter and has an XLR input. I've always been a little disappointed that as the Class D thing gained momentum not many companies ever made small mono power amps for the instrument market. The Demeter is close but doesn't have the XLR input. Being able to come out of a bass head's DI or to use pro audio preamps like the Neve Portico stuff offers a lot of flexibility in situations like yours.
 
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Jeff Bonny said:
If you could find one an old SWR Amplite mono power amp would work for you. About the same footprint as the Quilter and has an XLR input. I've always been a little disappointed that as the Class D thing gained momentum not many companies ever made small mono power amps for the instrument market. The Demeter is close but doesn't have the XLR input. Being able to come out of a bass head's DI or to use pro audio preamps like the Neve Portico stuff offers a lot of flexibility in situations like yours.
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I had one and I liked it!
 
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Jeff Bonny said:
If you could find one an old SWR Amplite mono power amp would work for you. About the same footprint as the Quilter and has an XLR input. I've always been a little disappointed that as the Class D thing gained momentum not many companies ever made small mono power amps for the instrument market.
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Sumo or Baby Sumo from Guitar Sound Systems would be another option...they don't have XLR input though...

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Jeff Bonny said:
If you could find one an old SWR Amplite mono power amp would work for you. About the same footprint as the Quilter and has an XLR input. I've always been a little disappointed that as the Class D thing gained momentum not many companies ever made small mono power amps for the instrument market. The Demeter is close but doesn't have the XLR input. Being able to come out of a bass head's DI or to use pro audio preamps like the Neve Portico stuff offers a lot of flexibility in situations like yours.
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Acoustic Image Focus SA would do the trick and has an XLR input (plus it looks attractive under a BB800; I'll try to get a picture up later tonight).
 
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TrevorOfDoom said:
Explain please, “the speaker that i’m using as my monitor is not getting any volume when i plug it in with another speaker...”
What speakers? How are they arranged on stage? What are you powering them with?
More speaker should equal more volume, and more power to said speakers.
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Sounds like the speaker are just so mismatched, that running them off the same amp leads to one overpowering the other volume wise.
 
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shwashwa said:
This is correct. They're mismatched totally. I'm just trying to rig something up with what I already own rather than buying something new
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I think it's gonna be tough.

Considering the cabs are so mismatched, I would assume they also want some separate eq control on them.
Even in a 2 quilter situation (or quilter feeding a power amp), you only have one set of tone control from the original Quilter. This could be problematic if you don't also have matching cabs that like the same EQ settings.
I'm assuming you are using the Quilter rig to cover FOH and the WW rig as your monitor.

What about this? It involves buying something, but it's pretty cheep (cheaper than a new amp or cab to be sure).

Here is a XLR attenuator that will knock your signal down by 30db, and it's $20.
Whirlwind IMP Pad - 30 dB

Bass -> Quilter (rig 1- eq and vol as needed for FOH) and then hook the XLR pad to the line out of your Quilter. Then use a XLR (f) to 1/4" TRS cable, and run that from the pad device to the front end of your other amp.

This would give you two separate rigs. Of course the signal out of the quilter would have the eq settings from your quilter, but you might could make those up as needed with the eq on your WW set up.

Here is an example of one of the cables. 20ft, so you could have the amps as far apart as you needed. The cable is grounded, so I don't think it would cause problems with buzz. Get the cable in what ever length you think you need to have the amps where you wnat based on your stage set up.
https://www.amazon.com/Female-CableCreation-20Feet-Microphone-Speakers/dp/B01JY2A7JI/ref=sr_1_29_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1548946725&sr=8-29-spons&keywords=xlr+adapter+to+1/4&th=1


All this would cost you less than $50, and give you a 1/4" line out of your Quilter with a signal that you could get down low enough that it shouldn't be a problem running into the front end of another amp. I would think even with the Quilter cranked, a 30db pad would be good.

Shure makes one of those XLR pads that has a switch on it for 15, 20, or 25db pad, but it's a little more $. The Whirlwind also comes in all levels up to 40db. You also might have a active / passive switch on your WW that can knock it down further.

No affiliation with any of these products, just examples of stuff you could try. I would also let the group chime in and let the hive mind work out any potential problems with this solution. Also maybe chime in as to what level pad you might want.

Sorry for the long post, and hope it all makes sense. Just woke up an the brain is still a little fuzzy.
 
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shwashwa said:
Thanks! I'm just trying to jerry-rig a set up with stuff that I already own without buying anything new.
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I know you said you do not want to buy anything new, but an ABY pedal sounds like it would do what you want. (only suggesting, because I had not seen it come up in the previous replies [might have missed it though]).

It also seems like a Phil Jones Bass EarBox might achieve what you want (as long as your cabinet has a speaker out on it since the Quitler only has 1). I have never tried it, but it seems like it was designed for upright bass monitoring (right at ear level so you hear it, but instrument picks up little if any of the speaker output).

Again this all involves buying stuff, but rigging up something crazy to make it work rarely seems to sound/work all that well in my experience.
 
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ahbass2500 said:
I know you said you do not want to buy anything new, but an ABY pedal sounds like it would do what you want. (only suggesting, because I had not seen it come up in the previous replies [might have missed it though]).
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An ABY pedal is also a pretty cheap and obvious solution to the problem! I was actually looking for one online when I got distracted by the whole XLR pad thing. My brain does that sometimes. This would also keep the EQ totally separate and take that out of play.

ahbass2500 said:
Again this all involves buying stuff, but rigging up something crazy to make it work rarely seems to sound/work all that well in my experience.
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Very true.
 
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Thanks for the great replies fellas. The a/b/y pedal sounds like the best option so far if I need phase switching. For now I'll go straight into the Walter woods for rig number one, take a 1/4" line out of the Walter woods, pre EQ, straight into the quilter. Almost as good as an a b pedal. I also have the option to take a post EQ line out of Walter woods if desired but I think pre EQ would be in effect like plugging straight into each amp
 
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