Rant - crazy mom

[guy n. cognito]

But if you don't know where to go in the first place, what are you supposed to do? Suffer in silence?

Crazy old man voice on...

Back in my day, we didn't have this new-fangled "interweb." When we had problems, we discussed it with friends, relatives or a trusted adult. We didn't broadcast it to the free world. Danged whipper-snappers with your "rock and roll" music and your too-long pants. Cut your hair and get a job.

 

[Thursday]

^^^^^^^^^^ MAD OLD IN DA FACE ^^^^^^^

 

[jrthebassguy]

Crazy old man voice on...

Back in my day, we didn't have this new-fangled "interweb." When we had problems, we discussed it with friends, relatives or a trusted adult. We didn't broadcast it to the free world. Danged whipper-snappers with your "rock and roll" music and your too-long pants. Cut your hair and get a job.

I'm just saying not everybody always has that option.

 

[AxtoOx]

I'm just saying not everybody always has that option.

He was going to SHOW his mom. That's suicide in my book.

 

[Alex]

Don't get too excited. A quick Google reveals a textbook
published with Theorems on this topic. And likely
not the first:

Theorems in Motion: Using Dynamic Geometry to Gain Fresh Insights,Daniel P. Scher. Construction of a constant-perimeter rectangle; a constant area rectangle.
(889, 1996) 330 - 332

The math site Invalid Link Removed
did not note the publisher.

Sorry to burst your balloon, but it was clever of you to
discover it independently.

Also Here:
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Scroll down to the section on Cyclical Quadrilaterals
and Cyclic Inscriptable.

Note a+c = b+d.

Also, additional formulas for bicentric quadrilaterals and some intersting
discussion is here
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BicentricQuadrilateral.html

Aww, weak. I thought I was going to publish the Manolukas Theoreum!

This has happened to me many times though. I discover a theoreum that we learn in a couple chapters so annoying.

 

[Thor]

Nothing like digging your own grave.

Can we get a pic of you mom so we can remember her
after she has dismembered you?

Thanks. That would be nice.

 

[Thor]

Aww, weak. I thought I was going to publish the Manolukas Theoreum!

This has happened to me many times though. I discover a theoreum that we learn in a couple chapters so annoying.

I think Euclid beat you too it.

 

[superbassman2000]

Reminds me of a quote I heard. "When I was growing up, sometimes I thought my parents were jerks. Once I grew up, and looked back on my youth, I realized I was the jerk, and my parents were cool the whole time."

-Mike

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."

 

[guy n. cognito]

I'm just saying not everybody always has that option.

That's correct. Some people like being wrong......



Seriously, it's pretty stupid to broadcast family matters in a public forum. Alex has done nothing but make his mom look crazy and himself look foolish. And, given all the conflicting advice in this thread, I can't imagine he's learned much.

 

[Alex]

i think if we were to pull alex's transcripts and maybe his juvi record there will probably be A LOT MORE TO THIS STORY. i dont know alex at all but i'm sure this is a culmination of all his little bungles.

Juvi record? I would not have a roof over my head if I had anything resembling a Juvi record.

As for the "culmination of bungles theory", this is the first ever incident in this class. The teacher even said that.

Granted that I had "behavioral problems" in Spanish last semester (and 1 call from the teacher) but the teacher has confirmed that I'm fine now.

To reach FAR back into my history, 7th grade I was in pretty deep treble. I was in the principal's office like 3, 4 times a week. (note: even then my mom never did anything this crazy) All the problems virtually disappeared in 8th grade, though.

This is the first detention I've gotten since like mid 8th grade.



Hey I think this is the first ever 10+ page rant thread! w00t!

 

[Thor]

That's correct. Some people like being wrong......



Seriously, it's pretty stupid to broadcast family matters in a public forum. Alex has done nothing but make his mom look crazy and himself look foolish. And, given all the conflicting advice in this thread, I can't imagine he's learned much.

He sure made his Dad look smart. Who wants to get between
a train and a wall?

 

[Munjibunga]

Where's Paul Harvey when we need him? You know, for "The rest of the story." There are some important pieces missing here.

 

[Munjibunga]

Juvi record? I would not have a roof over my head if I had anything resembling a Juvi record.

As for the "culmination of mess ups theory", this is the first ever incident in this class. The teacher even said that.

Granted that I had "behavioral problems" in Spanish last semester (and 1 call from the teacher) but the teacher has confirmed that I'm fine now.

To reach FAR back into my history, 7th grade I was in pretty deep trouble. I was in the principal's office like 3, 4 times a week. (note: even then my mom never did anything this crazy) All the problems virtually disappeared in 8th grade, though.

This is the first detention I've gotten since like mid 8th grade.



Hey I think this is the first ever 10+ page rant thread! w00t!

Oh, there you go. You're trying to live down the rep of being a little turd. "Virtual" disappearance of these traits probably hasn't been enough.

 

[bassfacekevin]

I find it a little funny that everyone seems to be ranting and raving about the "importance of family" but then they seem to contradict themselves by then saying that the mother was correct/right/justified/whatever in selling her son's gear. Seems to me that a "family" is more then just being born to a certain set of people. Being born isn't that hard. Your dad and your mom have a good evening, and bam, 9 months later, you exist. What makes a family is mutual respect, love and genuine interest in one another. I agree that there must be concequences to incommensurate actions, I say that the punishment ought fit the crime. I think we can all agree how "well" the 3 strikes policy works; so the build up anger resulting in this abortion of justice would show alex nothing more then to be irrational, and malicious. Good lessons. I know all you parents out there feel like they have "this kids number" but we should all keep in mind that just because you're under 18 doesn't mean he isn't a thinking, breathing person, and he isn't "property" no matter what the US laws say. Come on people, let's get our heads out of our asses, and root this kid on getting what's rightfully his, back.

 

[Munjibunga]

I find it a little funny that everyone seems to be ranting and raving about the "importance of family" but then they seem to contradict themselves by then saying that the mother was correct/right/justified/whatever in selling her son's gear. Seems to me that a "family" is more then just being born to a certain set of people. Being born isn't that hard. Your dad and your mom have a good evening, and bam, 9 months later, you exist. What makes a family is mutual respect, love and genuine interest in one another. I agree that there must be concequences to incommensurate actions, I say that the punishment ought fit the crime. I think we can all agree how "well" the 3 strikes policy works; so the build up anger resulting in this abortion of justice would show alex nothing more then to be irrational, and malicious. Good lessons. I know all you parents out there feel like they have "this kids number" but we should all keep in mind that just because you're under 18 doesn't mean he isn't a thinking, breathing person, and he isn't "property" no matter what the US laws say. Come on people, let's get our heads out of our asses, and root this kid on getting what's rightfully his, back.

Nyuk nyuk nyuk. Except that the parents of the kid are legally responsible for him. They also have a social responsibility to prepare him to be a positive contributor to society. Kids have very few rights under the law, as it should be. The do have the right not to be abused, but they also should not be rewarded for poor behavior which, evidently, is the root cause of the mother's action. If I had been the parent, I would not have sold the gear, but it would have disappeared until the kid's behavior warranted its return.

There's clearly a lot more to this story than we are being told. Maybe the kid should allow his mom to come on here and post her side. Kid, have you got the gonads to do that?

 

[flatwounds]

You do not want to do anything drastic to strain the relationship with your mother. She may seem crazy, but living under a roof with a seemingly crazy person is better than living on the streets.
However, I do think that your mother acted very irresponsibly. I would let her know that. I would tell her that you disagree with how she handled the situation, and that you feel that she overreacted. DO NOT DESTROY/SELL ANY OF HER PROPERTY. You need to act like the perfect son at home, not a jerk. You should remain calm and rational at all times, and hopefully she will come around. If you don't yell at her, or challenge her, she will have little ammunition with which to attack you with.

If this teacher is after you, I would talk to him. Remember, always remain calm/rational. If you are well behaved and abide by the school rules, the teacher cannot punish you, and if he does, he will look unprofessional. Apologise for the entire calculator incident, admit that it was stupid, and promise to be more respectful in his classes. Also, let him know that his decision to call your mother has inconvenienced you a great deal. Remain calm/respectful throughout.

(EDIT)Do not do this during a lesson/in front of a class - you do not want to embarrass him, and he may become threatened/defensive(EDIT)

If this fails, I would visit the Headmaster/Principal, and tell him the whole story. And I would not do this in passing, actually schedule a meeting with him, so that his full attention is on you. Explain that the entire episode was indeed your fault, and that you take full responsibility, but state that you feel that the situation was handled poorly. Find out the school's protocol for calling parents - does the teacher need permission, is it reserved for certain offences. If there was no threat of suspension, and your punishment was not an afternoon or saturday detention, then explain that the offence was not considered too serious, and that you felt it inappropriate that your mother was contacted. Also explain that you were severely/unfairly punished at home as a result of the phonecall.
If your teacher is out to get you, perhaps the Boss can look into it. The teacher, knowing that he is being watched, will not punish you so severely. N.B: This will only work if you do not misbehave at all. Be the perfect student. Do not even call-out in class, because you know that he will be weaiting for an opportunity to bust you.



[Honestly 'though, I think you did quite well not to scratch the hell out of the paint-job of the car whilst trying to put your gear in there.

I would have put the gear on the driver's seat, so that she'd have to move it herself.

And I would have destroyed the gear so that she couldn't sell it,"IF I CAN'T HAVE IT, NO ONE CAN!!!"
:scowl:

 

[Kronos]

Whew..I just read all 10 pages of this.

I have to agree with those that say there has to be something more going on. I mean, selling the equipment over something as silly as the calculator incident sounds ludicrous. But, considering that you're a self professed 4.0 student, your parents must have done SOMETHING right, and therefore were trying to be GOOD parents when the decision was made to sell your stuff.

The idea behind this is that there has to be consequences for your actions. That's what happens in the adult world. And, that these consequences gradually get worse, with time and repetative wrongdoings. Therefore, this is the greatest punishment so far. That tells me that there were other things before this that had gone punished, but because your wrongful activities haven't stopped, your mother decided to take it to this level.

Granted, your wrongdoings are conjecture at this point from my end, but this is how I deduced this came to be.

I'm also starting to think that for you to learn the lesson your parents are trying to teach you, either extreme punishment such as this isn't the way to go, as you aren't learning the lesson, or that if you don't learn the lesson this time around, the next punishment will be even more severe.

Try walking in your mother's shoes for a minute. Think of what she may have been thinking when she did this. Maybe she knows you have a mischievous nature. I mean, after all, she did raise you. And, if you don't think you have a mischievous nature, I refer to your post where you said that you didn't need a calculator, but you took your friend's as a joke. I'm sure the teacher would've been upset if you talked in class to give back the calculator, but nowhere near as upset as your teacher is now.

You may have a 4.0 average, but it seems you still have a lot to learn about life and how people are expected to act in society.

 

[NamelessOne]

Okay, i'm looking at this thread and seeing two completely opposite opinions: the ones of the younger people, who take the story at face value (not always a good thing) and side with alex, and the opinions of the older people, who assume (an even worse thing) that alex is a brat.

I just think that the situation would be helped a lot more if both groups are more reasonable, taking everything with a grain of salt but not making assumptions. my advise on this would be to
-talk to the teacher and get the message to your mom that this was not as big as she took it to be
-and, even if that makes everything better, get counselling. a family where a mother sells a kid's stuff, even if she get it back eventually, needs help.

also, while doing some of the ironic retaliations suggested here is a VERY bad idea, depending on your mom, stating them as analogies might help her see it from your point of view better (if you can get into a civilised conversation)

also, if you're in canada, all minors have the legal right to make contracts for and own necessities for life. i'm sure a nice rig would fall under this catagory.

 

[d8g3jdh]

Okay, i'm looking at this thread and seeing two completely opposite opinions: the ones of the younger people, who take the story at face value (not always a good thing) and side with alex, and the opinions of the older people, who assume (an even worse thing) that alex is a brat.

I just think that the situation would be helped a lot more if both groups are more reasonable, taking everything with a grain of salt but not making assumptions. my advise on this would be to
-talk to the teacher and get the message to your mom that this was not as big as she took it to be
-and, even if that makes everything better, get counselling. a family where a mother sells a kid's stuff, even if she get it back eventually, needs help.

also, while doing some of the ironic retaliations suggested here is a VERY bad idea, depending on your mom, stating them as analogies might help her see it from your point of view better (if you can get into a civilised conversation)

also, if you're in canada, all minors have the legal right to make contracts for and own necessities for life. i'm sure a nice rig would fall under this catagory.

good post, minus the analogies bit. I would just steer clear of the concept of taking/selling each others things for now.

You need to find out if there is more going on in your mom's life. It is very possible something much larger and much worse is happening that has nothing to do with you, and she's taking it out on you. Honestly, I think this is where the problems lie. The adults are right in that there must be more to the story if this is an isolated incident, but at the same time I believe you when you say you have a clean slate for high school (especially if you're sorta discovering your own theorums. Good job! )

Try talking to her, or try talking to your papa, find out what the deal is. Counseling is the next step in this process, but may not even be necessary if you can figure out what is up.

Edit: And I can't believe there are adults, parents even, who just write this kid off as a punk. She took his property, maybe it's not legally his, but if they're responsible parents they should be letting him learn the lessons of money. And don't say 'Oh, they spent so much money raising him, blah blah blah'. If they weren't prepared to spend the money they shouldn't have had a kid. They still need to teach him about life, and having your own money is part of that. To just take a grand away without justification, what does that teach him? That everything you own is really mine? That we have no trust for you, and you should have no trust for us? If I was him, all it would teach me is that I'm out of there.

 

[AxtoOx]

I find it a little funny that everyone seems to be ranting and raving about the "importance of family" but then they seem to contradict themselves by then saying that the mother was correct/right/justified/whatever in selling her son's gear. Seems to me that a "family" is more then just being born to a certain set of people. Being born isn't that hard. Your dad and your mom have a good evening, and bam, 9 months later, you exist. What makes a family is mutual respect, love and genuine interest in one another. I agree that there must be concequences to incommensurate actions, I say that the punishment ought fit the crime. I think we can all agree how "well" the 3 strikes policy works; so the build up anger resulting in this abortion of justice would show alex nothing more then to be irrational, and malicious. Good lessons. I know all you parents out there feel like they have "this kids number" but we should all keep in mind that just because you're under 18 doesn't mean he isn't a thinking, breathing person, and he isn't "property" no matter what the US laws say. Come on people, let's get our heads out of our asses, and root this kid on getting what's rightfully his, back.

Better watch out who you tell to get their head out of anything till you've raised a teenager, OH WISE ONE!!!!!