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Reccomendations for a new MP3 player

Seriously, the only reason why most people don't know them is because people are too afraid of going elsewhere than Apple for their music player needs.

Seriously? This ain't serious. How much genius did it take to invent iTunes's first features in a world of Winamp and Audion?

"Just drag and drop", when you manage files by hand means "Browse through your folders and hand-pick mp3 files by their name". On iTunes, "just drag and drop" means "just drag and drop". Be it to an iPod or another player, where it will instead copy the files directly from your song browser.

I'd love a flatter sound output and a real EQ, but I have a hard time believing that those statements are objective when they're surrounded by knee-jerk arguments.
 
Seriously? This ain't serious. How much genius did it take to invent iTunes's first features in a world of Winamp and Audion?

"Just drag and drop", when you manage files by hand means "Browse through your folders and hand-pick mp3 files by their name". On iTunes, "just drag and drop" means "just drag and drop". Be it to an iPod or another player, where it will instead copy the files directly from your song browser.

I'd love a flatter sound output and a real EQ, but I have a hard time believing that those statements are objective when they're surrounded by knee-jerk arguments.
Firstly, it's quite easy to go to your music folders to grab whichever files you want to have on the go. If you're disorganized and have them all over the place and have to rely on some program to save you from being lost, that's not a failing on Cowon or any other company. Take some responsibility for your inability to dump your music files in one folder. That "argument" is just plain silly.

Secondly, iTunes' sync "feature" makes it a PITA to simply add files and impossible to dump files from your music player to a computer. Is bloated and slow. I also like the ability to use my music player as a USB key (with obviously bigger storage). Oh, and if I'd bring an iPod to a friend's place who happens to not have iTunes, I can't get his tracks added to my iPod.

Finally, doubting my ears' evaluation of a player's sound quality because you prefer the clumsy, convoluted, and limiting implementation that Apple adopted is ludicrous. Ironic that you lecture me on how to argue when your post was filled with a total lack of logic.

It'd help to ask questions instead of trying to sound high and mighty in the face of somebody who clearly has a much better understanding of these devices than you do and more experience to boot.

And if you prefer sync'ing players, there are still better alternatives out there than iTunes that'll work with your iPod.
 
Plus itunes is absolutely terrible because it duplicates every mp3/wav file you have just because apple are dicks and prefer aiff.

sounds like yo don't know how to change settings.


it's amazing how this thread has turned into an argument over iTunes.

Whether or not a person has his music organized by hand or not doesn't really matter. some people prefer to let a program do it for us, instead of doing it by hand. I feel that the people who say "just do it by hand" don't have more than 1,000 songs to organize. If they had more they'd understand why a program should do it for them. As far as "bloated" syncing, i don't see that as a big deal - iTunes syncs just as fast as any other USB transfer on my windows XP and windows 7 machines. It sounds to me that people don't understand how to change settings, at all.
 
The argument is stale and pointless on both sides. You still might like an ipod better, because that's preference, arguing about preference is dumb. The facts still stand that sound quality, picture quality, battery life, filetype support, features, etc etc have always eeked out ahead in comparisons between cowan products and apple products. If you still like ipod+itunes better, cool, enjoy.
 
So it's me who sounds like this?

Count me out of the conversation.
Uh-huh. Whatever you say, buddy.

Throwing insults my way (i.e. doubting my ears based on your filing preferences and calling the advantages I laid out as being a knee-jerk reaction) and then expecting me to not ridicule your lack of experience and knowledge on the matter is baffling.

The perfect way for an Apple fanboy to end an argument based on facts ; bail.

Oh, and please don't give Cowon products a try. I mean, who cares about sound quality in a music player, right? lol!
 
The perfect way for an Apple fanboy to end an argument based on facts ; bail.

Geeze, if you want me to come back I'll do. You are in the middle of an MP3 player recommendation thread, trying to convince someone else than the OP that no music management software is better than one. Apple could be out of the equation but you compare everything in your perfect management method to the Evil Empire of Steve Jobs. Thunderscreech mentions that he'd probably use iTunes, as it's easier for him. I started from that point, knowing that you can drag-and-drop elements from your iTunes library to any MP3 player that works as an external drive, which you apparently did not.

...your lack of experience and knowledge on the matter is baffling.

You keep bringing this back. I don't understand. If I had your experience, I would, right? I guess my reading skills overwhelm my lack of experience:

I could use a different program, but nothing else will auto-organize my library
 
Geeze, if you want me to come back I'll do. You are in the middle of an MP3 player recommendation thread, trying to convince someone else than the OP that no music management software is better than one. Apple could be out of the equation but you compare everything in your perfect management method to the Evil Empire of Steve Jobs.
I'm sorry you think I'm trying to convince you or anybody else that one thing is inherently better. What I'm attempting to do is to simply illustrate there are (better, IMHO) alternatives out there. Whether or not you agree they are is entirely up to you, but my main beef is to judge a given product without having tried it first. For instance, if you would tell me "I've tried a couple of Cowon music players and didn't like the sound" I could respect that, but as it stands, it seems most people are afraid of delving into anything else but iPods. They're comfortable with what they know and fear the unknown.

From what I understand, most online websites in the US will offer refunds for products that are ordered and end up being returned because they aren't fully appreciated. I'd suggest taking advantage of such a policy as opposed to potentially settling for nothing else but mediocrity. What if you enjoy the Cowon (or any other manufacturer's product) better? You'd be thrilled you decided to give it a try. But most people will forego giving a competing product a fair shake because of the lack of the fruity logo on the back.

Thunderscreech mentions that he'd probably use iTunes, as it's easier for him. I started from that point, knowing that you can drag-and-drop elements from your iTunes library to any MP3 player that works as an external drive, which you apparently did not.
There are alternatives to iTunes that will auto-organize people's music library. For instance, JetAudio 8 (Cowon's free offering) works great. Personally, I like it better for a few reasons. It also offers sync options as well. However, day-to-day, I don't use an application like this. Simply dragging & dropping files is all I need & want. JA8's main use for me is to toy with the ID3 tags.

But there are numerous other applications that'll do as good a job and are more responsive than iTunes. I didn't try them all, but did appreciate the fact that there are choices out there. However, in the end, it's what you're most comfortable with. But if you find you like iTunes more after having tested some other options, more power to you.

For the record, I own 2 iPhones (3G & 4) hence why I have experience with iTunes... and why I despise it so much. Some people love it, others hate it. We all have our reasons.

Before doubting my ears' ability to hear the vast improvement in sound between two products however, I'd strongly suggest giving a Cowon product a listen and configuring the EQ to your liking. I'd be curious to hear what you have to say afterward.
 
My reaction wasn't at all towards the sound quality issue. I tried a S9 and an J3, they were both transparent enough for the quality of the files on them to come right through, which is about as good as you can get with digital audio. It's definitely audiophile-grade hardware.

But it can be managed just fine with iTunes. That was my original point, sorry things got heated.
 
My reaction wasn't at all towards the sound quality issue. I tried a S9 and an J3, they were both transparent enough for the quality of the files on them to come right through, which is about as good as you can get with digital audio. It's definitely audiophile-grade hardware.

But it can be managed just fine with iTunes. That was my original point, sorry things got heated.
Yeah, same here. I guess it's easy to misinterpret things when the meaning gets lost with the written word.

Again, sorry it needlessly escalated.
 
I'm in the market for my first mp3 player. I've never owned one, which makes me something of an anachronism (and a newbie).

If I listen to music, I listen to an album in its entirety, from beginning to end in the order presented by the artist. I never download singles. I would also like to be able to load high resolution sound files.

I would also like to listen at the gym while I exercise, so I need something small. I don't need video capability, wireless connectivity or a large screen either.

Basically, I need excellent quality audio, small size, and simplicity. What type of player and software do you all think would work for me.
 
For size, IMHO, nothing beats the Apple Nano. You can load Apple Lossless files on it. The problem with it (still IMHO) is that the sound quality is typical Apple fare which is to say lifeless & dull.

Before going on to my suggestion, I will say that if you're planning on using it mostly for the gym, the sound quality aspect of it escapes me a bit seeing as how sound quality probably wouldn't be something you'd really notice or think about while exercising.

Having said that, there are a couple players that could fit the bill. I was going to recommend the iRiver T series (10, 20, 30, 50, 60), but I'm assuming by "high resolution sound files" that you aren't referring to OGG files. Too bad, because this USB key-sized player would sound fantastic, especially in this context.

Otherwise, my #1 recommendation would be the Cowon iAudio 7 ([Invalid or Expired Link Removed]). Feel free to check the specs. The size & weight are right and it does accept WAV & FLAC files with a battery life that would outlast any other player's.

JetMall.net seems to be out of them for now (as is Amazon.com), so your best bet is to probably order it from eBay or instead another online retailer. Amazon does have the armband for the player, though.

Feel free to look into it. It seems to be what you'd be looking for.
 
I guess I should tell people what I got.


I got a Sansa Fuze+. 8 Gigs. Purple. 59.99. Expandable memory with SDHC (High Capacity) support, so i can add a further 16 gigs if I wish.

Now, I need a media player software that will:

1. Organize my files and folders like iTunes does in auto-organize mode (i.e by Artist > Album directories)
2. Support my Sansa

MediaMonkey is the only thing that I see that comes close, but I kinda don't like it, but I could grow too.
 
Now, I need a media player software that will:

1. Organize my files and folders like iTunes does in auto-organize mode (i.e by Artist > Album directories)
2. Support my Sansa

MediaMonkey is the only thing that I see that comes close, but I kinda don't like it, but I could grow too.

How about a simple backup program that would take your iTunes library as the folder to backup, and your Sansa's music folder as the backup destination? If it can run in the background you really don't have to worry about it.

I'm just throwing an idea. Otherwise, I think Songbird has an extension to manage MTP. Mediamonkey would serve you fine too.
 
How about a simple backup program that would take your iTunes library as the folder to backup, and your Sansa's music folder as the backup destination? If it can run in the background you really don't have to worry about it.

I'm just throwing an idea. Otherwise, I think Songbird has an extension to manage MTP. Mediamonkey would serve you fine too.

That sounds...like a good idea...

I'd have to select the folders by hand, so no drag/drop...but I'll give that a spin. I like iTunes, I like the layout and the usability, just not the other things it installs...:hmm:

and simple backup programs I can use?
 
I guess I should tell people what I got.


I got a Sansa Fuze+. 8 Gigs. Purple. 59.99. Expandable memory with SDHC (High Capacity) support, so i can add a further 16 gigs if I wish.

Now, I need a media player software that will:

1. Organize my files and folders like iTunes does in auto-organize mode (i.e by Artist > Album directories)
2. Support my Sansa

MediaMonkey is the only thing that I see that comes close, but I kinda don't like it, but I could grow too.

Do you have Windows on your PC? If you do, try using Windows Media Player 11 (or 12 if you use WIndows 7). The Fuze syncs with WMP easily, and when you rip CDs it will put them in an Artist/Album directory structure. It won't organize what you already have, but it's a decent program. MediaMonkey is a good program as well, but I only use it to set the Replay Gain on mp3s that I just ripped.

I was going to recommend the Fuze, I've had the 4GB version since last November and I love it. Make sure to download the firmware updates. The only thing I don't use it for is videos, the screen is too small for that, IMHO. Great features, though.