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Replacement speaker for an Ibanez Promethean P3110

It would be helpful if you asked this specific question directly, and if English is not your primary language and you are translating, let us know so that we don't mis-understand what you post.
I'm not the OP and not a native speaker either, but am better-than-average at pinpointing sources of misunderstanding:

- @Martelino doesn't know that it is the impedance of the driver that determines how much power is delivered to it by the amplifier; the amp section of the combo doesn't "feed 4 ohms" to the woofer. 4 ohms is only the lowest safe total impedance load that the amp can be hooked to, not something inherent to the amp itself.
Examples: amp+two 4-ohm drivers? Amp shuts down or gets damaged; amp+one 4-ohm driver? It delivers 300W to the driver, which hopefully can take them (if not, driver gets damaged); amp+two 8-ohm drivers? Same as the above, but drivers need only be rated 150W each, for them not to get damaged; amp+one 8-ohm driver? Because the amp "sees" 8 ohms, which is double the minimum safe impedance (4-ohms, at which its 300W rating is valid), it delivers half its maximum power (it's usually a little more than half, for...amp reasons) to the driver, that is to say 150W (again, it is usually a little more than half). With the vast majority of solid-state amplifiers there is no problem whatsoever with the final scenario (again, provided that the single 8-ohm driver can take 150W). As a final example, you could even hook a single 32-ohm woofer to the amp, and the amp would simply feed the woofer about 40W max, precisely because the impedance of the driver is 32 ohms.
- @agedhorse, the Ibanez Promethean p3110 is a combo and, if I remember correctly, its fancy driver has both a coaxial tweeter and also a double voice coil.

Martelino: the "external speaker out", when a jack is inserted to it, disconnects one of the coils of the driver, bringing up the impedance from 8-and-8 ohms (that is 4 ohms, in parallel) to just 8 ohms, which allows another cabinet (which must be 8 ohms or more) to be hooked up to the combo. The amp delivers 300W to the internal double-coil driver, only 150W to one coil if a speaker cable jack is inserted in the speaker out, and again 300W if the cable is connected to an external 8-ohm cab. Why would you want an external cab, since the combo puts out 300W with or without it? Because, more often than not, more speaker area = more volume.
The tweeter doesn't factor in the equation, because it operates at higher frequencies than the woofer coil(s) impedance minima. Or something like that.

So, unless you find the original, double-coil speaker, you can only:
-put in a 4-ohm speaker, and forever give up the possibility to add an external cab;
-put in a single-voicecoil 8-ohm driver, and know that it will only receive 150W, but if the new driver is more efficient then the original it may be just as loud, or more. You will retain the ability to add a cab when needed.
-the mounting of the tweeter (coaxial) is an additional complication. If the new driver is something like the Eminence Beta 10CX, you can mount (in fact you should, whether you use it or not) a screw-on tweeter to it. Not sure if the original tweeter will fit. Alternatively, you could put a tweeter in one corner of the cab, if there's enough room.


I hope I've made sense... :atoz:
 
The picture I saw looked like an extension cabinet, which is part of the problem. The other issue is that the dual voice coil driver is not confirmed and all of the drivers I have seen for these products are a single coil 8 ohm driver. Disconnecting one coil of a dual coil driver would totally change the TS parameters as well as reduce the efficiency in the 8 ohm position to well below that of the 4 ohm mode making the 8 ohm position perform pretty poorly. I believe they MIGHT have tried this early on but stopped due to problems.

Because of the way the question was phrased, it wasn't clear (to me at least) what was really being asked (and I'm still not really sure). A picture of the driver and the external speaker jack wiring might be helpful.
 
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The picture I saw looked like an extension cabinet, which is part of the problem. The other issue is that the dual voice coil driver is not confirmed and all of the drivers I have seen for these products are a single coil 8 ohm driver. Disconnecting one coil of a dual coil driver would totally change the TS parameters as well as reduce the efficiency in the 8 ohm position to well below that of the 4 ohm mode making the 8 ohm position perform pretty poorly. I believe they MIGHT have tried this early on but stopped due to problems.

Because of the way the question was phrased, it wasn't clear (to me at least) what was really being asked (and I'm still not really sure). A picture of the driver and the external speaker jack wiring might be helpful.
Are you sure you haven't seen pics of the older P5110 1x10 combo (which also had a companion extension cab)?
The product manual for the newer, 300W series still seems to describe what I remember of the P3110. Here's page 54:
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Somewhere here I have a photo of two of these amps stacked together. It was a cool setup. They were daisy-chained. Line out from the first amp into the second amp using a 90-degree cable going in to the second amp on the bottom. Simple and sounded great!
 
Reviving this thread after some time. My p3110 speaker ripped and I want to replace it with an Eminance 200w 8 ohms I have laying around. But would it be a problem if the amp feeds 4 ohms into an 8 ohm speaker (wich is what I understand is what happens, and the original speaker would split it in two times 8 ohms with the double coil). And could I still connect an 8 ohm ext cab? Please help before I blow things up.
I recently built my own extension cabinet which is powered by my Promethean. It also has the same Eminence speaker (CA10) as in the Promethean. I've used it for several gigs now without a single issue. It's also incredibly loud!
 
To be clear, your Promethean combo has an Eminence Legend CA10-8 (same driver as your homebuilt extension cab) because you put it in there yourself, to replace the original. Is this correct?
That is correct. About this time last year the original speaker in the Promethean developed a bad buzz, to the point where it was unplayable in a gig and needed to be replaced. The owner's manual said the original speaker was rated at 300W@4ohms. I wanted a speaker rated a bit more powerful than the original speaker, and the Eminence CA-10 came in at 400W@8ohms. This is also the speaker I used when building my extension cabinet.
 
I got a p3110 the other day. I bought it used. And unfortunetly it must havet gotten a beating in transport. The speakers have fallen apart and is to my eye beyond repair.
I was thinking of ordering a Eminence CA-10 just like @stratovani and I was wondering about the wiring. It seems I would have some cabels hanging loose. There are five cabels coming to the speakers from amp and the Eminence CA-10 just need two, right? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction with this. What to do with the Wired. (And yes, I am a noob att this )
 
I got a p3110 the other day. I bought it used. And unfortunetly it must havet gotten a beating in transport. The speakers have fallen apart and is to my eye beyond repair.
I was thinking of ordering a Eminence CA-10 just like @stratovani and I was wondering about the wiring. It seems I would have some cabels hanging loose. There are five cabels coming to the speakers from amp and the Eminence CA-10 just need two, right? Would someone be so kind as to point me in the right direction with this. What to do with the Wired. (And yes, I am a noob att this )

The stock speaker is coaxial. Two speakers in one.
 
Coaxial means a woofer and tweeter (with a crossover of some type) in the same driver package aligned coaxially. That's not the same as a dual voice coil driver.
 
So the woofer in the P3110 is a dual voice driver, right? And there is also the tweeter. And the Eminence CA-10 is a singel voice driver and no tweeter. Which still seems to be working out for stratovani as a replacement speakers.