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Rickenbacker

NukeBass, I assume that the purpose of the extra capacitor is to help create that "Rickenbacker" sound. The capacitor greatly inhibits the output of the bridge pick-up. By doing the modification you will now gain the full output signal from that pick-up giving you a much fuller sound (bottom end).
The modification has no effect on the stereo output of the bass, it remains intact.
Cheers
 
Originally posted by bassman
NukeBass, I assume that the purpose of the extra capacitor is to help create that "Rickenbacker" sound. The capacitor greatly inhibits the output of the bridge pick-up. By doing the modification you will now gain the full output signal from that pick-up giving you a much fuller sound (bottom end).
The modification has no effect on the stereo output of the bass, it remains intact.
Cheers

I still have reservations about this, but I'm looking into doing this procedure. I just don't want to screw up my fantastic tone...hmmmmmmm....maybe, I'll buy another 4001 for experimentation...yep, I just talked myself into it!:D
 
Howdy Mr2112 I to debated for a while on doing this procedure until last Friday when I seen & played Zoomboy's V63 and I couldn't believe the full rich tone he could get and tons of bottom mine was missing, A little to do with the Toaster & Horeshoe combo but both of his pups had full output and we did side by side comparison and I had half Vol with my bridge pup. I figured what the hey give it a shot I can always put the cap back in, man it made all the difference in the world and I can still get that same tone it had by rolling of the vol on the bridge pup to around 1/2 to 9/16 depending on your preference. what you have is total control over the bass while adding some great tone options. I played it at rehearsal last night for the first time with the mod and the guys noticed the difference right away we recorded practice to see what it sounded like on tape and there's no mistaking that its a RIC even with the mod it cut through like a knife while adding some bottom, it sounds ballsey.
 
Okay, i'm looking at the diagram for the 4003 on the rick webpage right now.

There are three capacitors: the one out of the bass tone knob (c1), the one out of the treble tone knob (c2), and the one out of the treble volume knob (c3).

c3 has only 1/10th of the capacitance of the other two, which means that 10 times less current can flow through it. Is this the cap that has to go out?

It also says as a foot note that c3 is replaced by a shunt on newer models. Now this is strange, because i have a model 2000 and, though i haven't checked if the capacitor is in there, the symtoms of my bass indicate that it is.

I'll have to open it up and see what's the deal.
 
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Max Im a Fender guy myself but I was looking for a new sound for my opriginal project so I went out and bought my 84 4003, with the bypass surgery it has just as much bottom as any of my 3 fender J basses and my 1 P bass ifact it has so much bottom I have to roll the vol back on the neck pup just a bit for a nice even tone . Go for it and get a RIC you wont regret it.
 
Hi! My first post here, and I'm glad there's so much Rickenbacker talk.

A few things. I have 3 Rics, a '75 and a '76 4001 and an '88 4003-8 8-String bass, which someone asked about a ways back in this thread. I've always played in the Ric-o-sound mode, first with the clumsy little box that Ric sends, which really is a ridiculous item. The attached cable is way too short and you have this stupid little metal box following you around 6 feet away all the time clanking around on the stage. Maybe they've changed them since, but this was how it was when I got it new in 1975 with mine. I ended up getting a nice 20 foot stereo cable that terminated in two mono plugs - perfect. There is nothing like the options you can get this way. Separate amps, separate effects on each pickup, etc. One setup I used in the past was the bass pickup going thru an eq with some beefy bass dialed up on it into an Ampeg SVT and two 18" speakers. The treble pickup went through a digital delay/reverb and an eq which boosted the mids/treble into an old Sound City 200w amp and on to two 4x12" cabinets. What a sound! I now use different amps into two 18"s and four 10"s, but the idea is the same, just easier to move around.

As for the 8 String, man I love this bass! What a kick ass instrument! I did have to do some mods, though. For starters, it's wired in mono, so at some point I may re-wire it to stereo. But it sounds great as is, so I've been putting it off. What I did change, though is the string arrangement. It comes with the strings in four courses, set up in octaves, like a 12-string guitar.

But the Rickenbacker string arrangement is such that on a Downstroke the first string you hit is the lower octave string. I hate that. I prefer it like my 12 string, I like to hit that higher octave first, it gives you a nice springy, chimey, lively attack, followed by the meat and fundamental of the lower string. In the Rickenbacker standard arrangement I often found that once I'd hit the much fatter lower octave string then I'd almost always overshoot the higher octave string, missing it completely with my pick. Also, on the downstroke, the low octave string would almost invariably get plowed right into the higher string and flub up the attack on that string, even if I did hit it. Once I had reversed the string arrangement, I hit the high octave and the pick naturally comes in direct contact with the lower octave immediately afterwards. So I ended up reversing them, which means a new nut, filed so the strings fit into the grooves. Actually, I cheated on this, as an experiment I just filed the smaller slots to fit the fatter strings, and I superglued a small piece of a thin pick into the fat slots so that the thinner high octave string would fit better. Now that I know I like it all better that way, I'll have a new nut done right. As for the bridge grooves, I really didn't find that to be a problem at all, although you'd think it might be. That would be a major hassle I think, for limited payback. I don't have a problem with it, so it'll stay the way it is.

One other thing about the 8 string. When I got it it was pure white. I got it with the chrome hardware and white pickguard. Beautiful.!! After a while though it slowly started changing colour, and now it's somewhere between a cream and a faded yellowish colour, not too far from the standard finish on the Chris Squire limited edition model. And it still looks great! When I ordered it, the guy at Rickenbacker said that white was the only colour they couldn't guarantee to stay the same. He didn't lie.

This is a really cool site you have here. I'm glad I found it. I'm gonna have to try out that capacitor removal mod, sounds like it would be a nice thing to try. Thanks, guys! My '76 Ric is there solely for experimentation now, I got it for a great price many years ago and I've used it as a backup, with an alternate tuning, and now I figure it will be my experimental bass. Everything gets tried on that one before doing anything to my baby, the blue '75.

Well, that's it, hope my long diatribe didn't bore anyone.

Ummm,,,, you can wake up now.
 
Hey JMP, welcome to Talkbass!

I'm also glad you found this site, im always looking for people who know Rickenbackers.

About the rick-:D -sound box: I've also heard that the cord that comes with it is toio short. I've never seen one, what exact features does it have? Does it have volume knobs for each channel or something like that? If not, how is it different from a regular Y cord like the one you use?

 
Hi RickenbackeR!

It's no different at all. There are no controls at all on it. Just a stereo cable which goes from the Ric to this little metal box maybe 3"x4". There is no stereo jack on the box, the stereo cable is hardwired into the box, the cable passing through a grommet. Inside the box the stereo cable sends each separate signal to its own mono jack. Then you use a couple regular mono cables to go from the box to wherever, two seperate amps, two seperate channels on one amp or mixer or whatever. It's really a clumsy arrangement dragging all that crap around behind you like a lost puppy on a leash.

It's really easier to make your own cable. Just get a standard microphone cable, hack off the XLR connnectors and on one end attach a heavy duty stereo plug. Then take a nice guitar cord and cut it in half. Make sure these pieces are long enough to give you the physical separation you need between whatever separate inputs they'll be going to on your amp(s). Solder these to the individual signal leads of the stereo mic cable. (make sure you connect both grounds) And then put some nice heavy duty shrink wrap around the whole area where the wires are soldered together.

If you use a pedal board or something you could relpace the short cable from the Ric-o-sound box with a stereo jack and get a long stereo cable to go between it and your bass. Bolt the little box to your pedal board so it doesn't go anywhere. Or better yet, build the whole mess into a stereo volume pedal. It all works the same. I use a Morley stereo volume with my setup.

Also one other thing that annoyed the hell out of me. That stupid switching jack arrangement on the Rics is awful. It's handy to be able to plug into one jack and be stereo, another jack to be mono, but the jacks themselves are hokey and I always had all this annoying noise after the jack had been in use for a while, like the sound of when you plug your guitar in and your amp is turned up. If you've ever seen one of these jacks you'll know how precarious they are. So I just got rid of the mono switching jack altogether, took it right out of there. I then wired in another stereo jack on my bass and just reveresed the lead arrangement, so that using one jack would send the bass PU out one lead, and treble PU out the other. Plugging into the other jack would allow me to switch their destinations instantly. And no more nasty noises.
 
Of course, doing that meant I also had to make a stereo to mono special cable for when I really do need to go mono. In that case I just put a stereo plug on a regular guitar cable and wired both signal connections of the stereo plug to the one signal lead of the mono guitar cable. This comes in handy if I have to go through someone else's amp for some reason and they don't have stereo capability, which most players don't.
 
Hi nanook!

I was posting at the same time you were.

I've never used one of those, so I can't say. I guess it would be useful if you were Mike Rutherford many years ago. But I'd imagine it would be a bit clumsy, maybe a tad less awkward than Chris Squire's triple neck, perhaps. If the 12-string section is at all like the 8-string bass then I'd really be in for a hassle changing all the string arrangements, haha!

I agree fully with the bass slapping, by the way. Never did warm up to that style.
 
Yea, the slapping thing has been talked about a lot here. It does sound good when applied to some of the old Funk tunes and I do practice it some. I play mostly classic rock and try to stick as close to the origional sound as possible so I rarely use the slapping technique on stage.

Some of the new music has slapping but I don't play it.

To each his (or her) own, the little quote is not meant to offend anyone.
 
Very Cool! We'll have to hook up sometime. I split Pat's season tickets with a couple of friends The first game I have is the Jets game in October, Im out your way a couple times a year. I would surely like to check out that 8 string of yours I have been wanting to try one out for a long time to see if it was something I would be into ( big Tom Peterson of Cheap Trick fan), but try and find one in the area. We'll have to keep in touch.
 
Hey, everyone! Nice to be back on the boards again over here....

Catching up on this, my favorite thread, I was really interested in JMPs post (welcome aboard!) about his 8 string Ric. I like your idea for rearranging the string, that makes a helluva lot of sense! I've never had the opportunity yet to try an 8 but would love to. I've only ever really heard one on King's X Faith.... album and of course "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam. It's a really intriguing sound.