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Roger Waters
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I agree Genesis got pretty bland after Peter Gabriel left, they became a different band that I did not cafe for (Trick of the Tail still sounded like Genesis).
In the case of Pink Floyd, Momentary Lapse had three good songs on it, it definitely lacks Rogers edge and his bass lines (regardless of what TB people think of his playing) it sounds like Rick Wright had input again which was important to their best material I think.
I liked The Endless River.
I hated The Final Cut, IMO a super self indulgent, repetitive, bore fest...a (not good) Roger Waters solo record with some tasty licks from Dave Gilmour on it.
Very clearly their best records were when all four members had input.
LOL
Good One! I always take the bait.
I agree Genesis got pretty bland after Peter Gabriel left, they became a different band that I did not cafe for (Trick of the Tail still sounded like Genesis).
In the case of Pink Floyd, Momentary Lapse had three good songs on it, it definitely lacks Rogers edge and his bass lines (regardless of what TB people think of his playing) it sounds like Rick Wright had input again which was important to their best material I think.
I liked The Endless River.
I hated The Final Cut, IMO a super self indulgent, repetitive, bore fest...a (not good) Roger Waters solo record with some tasty licks from Dave Gilmour on it.
Very clearly their best records were when all four members had input.
LOL
I always take the bait.
I actually like Phil Collins, as a drummer. Especially when he's working for somebody else. As far as Gilmour and Waters are concerned, never the twain shall meet.
ha ha...if it weren't for that movie where that dude hacks up that girl after rambling on about phil, I would think that you were serious...lol...
Dave gilmour is a superb guitar player...definitely changed the course of Pink floyd when he became the new guy..Roger is a superb song writer..bass player.he did write that iconic money riff..and he does play a P with maple neck..surprising he doesn't get massive love for that on here..must of gotten points off for no tort..
Pink Floyd was all of them..Roger was the main reason for their blowing up..huge..but without Dave that probably doesn't happen. I was talking to one of my friends about a decade ago about bands and how it sucks when one leaves or dies and it ruins the band..This guy wasn't a big music guy and didn't really know too much about band dynamics and things like that..but I was prattling on about how when the Keyboardist for the Grateful Dead Brent Mydland died it effectively killed the band...and the same for Pink Floyd breaking up..he looked at me and said yeah murph...nothing lasts forever...so in the words of Robert Frost;
Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
Pink Floyd was all of them..Roger was the main reason for their blowing up..huge..but without Dave that probably doesn't happen. I was talking to one of my friends about a decade ago about bands and how it sucks when one leaves or dies and it ruins the band..This guy wasn't a big music guy and didn't really know too much about band dynamics and things like that..but I was prattling on about how when the Keyboardist for the Grateful Dead Brent Mydland died it effectively killed the band...and the same for Pink Floyd breaking up..he looked at me and said yeah murph...nothing lasts forever...so in the words of Robert Frost;
Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
Also probably tired of being told by Nick Cave and Radiohead among others to bugger off ... I know we have to avoid politics on this forum and I am one who believes I shouldn't have an opinion on things if I don't thoroughly research both sides, but it always seemed to me that Roger Waters stance on this was more about pissing off jewish organisations (Black star of David on his pigs etc ...) than anything really to do about Israel Palestine.
I'm still waiting for him to put the face of an important prophet on a pig to protest the death of Kashogi and see how the world reacts, there is no courage in what he is doing if he's still performing in Yacht-Golf Club resorts in the Gulf ...
My 2 cents, I am not pro-politics, I just think, like Ricky Gervais, that some should avoid politics
No one is going down that road. But let's make it quite clear what Water's subject was.
I saw a nice feature of Roger Waters and others participating in the Wounded Warriors band project. That goes a long way with me whatever his and the others' politics are. Just thought I would post this here.
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Sometimes listening to Roger Waters ramble on this I wonder if he even knows anymore if this is about Zionism, Palestine or some confabulation about Jews controlling the world.
I respect some BDS artists like Thurston Moore and Vic Mensa alot more, especially Mensa's comparison to the plight of black Americans. ANYWHO ... Roger needs to play more Bass !
Pink Floyd fan since I was a teen. They made great music until they didn't. Roger overestimated his importance although a lot of what they did wouldn't have happened without him. As in most bands all the parts make a great whole but not so much individually.
Watching mid 70s men fight over who was more important is not much fun. Kind of makes you want to pat the Stones on the back for getting along for so many years. I have really enjoyed Nick's band and the 60s/early 70s music. The psychedlic years were good and fun music. I hope they can get back together so we can hear their rendition of Echoes. BTW .. Guy Pratt was the best bass player PF ever had. Not the best song writer but the best bass player.
Watching mid 70s men fight over who was more important is not much fun. Kind of makes you want to pat the Stones on the back for getting along for so many years. I have really enjoyed Nick's band and the 60s/early 70s music. The psychedlic years were good and fun music. I hope they can get back together so we can hear their rendition of Echoes. BTW .. Guy Pratt was the best bass player PF ever had. Not the best song writer but the best bass player.
I'm late to the thread but here's some of my thoughts anyway...
PF right now is Gilmore and Mason. Roger quit. You don't quit a company and then expect to advertise on their website for free 30 years later, even if you did develop a large share of that company's popular product. This is unrealistic.
From almost all accounts the abusive spouse analogy is pretty spot on. Sometimes a person's behavior is so bad that reconciliation is impossible. You can't verbally abuse your spouse for years and then expect to show up on the Christmas card after a messy divorce. No matter how remorseful you may be.
Roger is a brilliant songwriter and brilliant at conceptualizing ideas. But like many people of that type he has always failed to appreciate or understand how important the people who make those ideas work are.
Dave seems like a man who can hold a grudge quite well. He also seems to be a great procrastinator. He would have been better off inviting someone into the band permanently who could write lyrics instead of using his girlfriend. That being said, High Hopes is my favorite PF song.
Dave's solo work is dull. Roger's solo work is unlistenable. Rick's solo work from much earlier, what little bit I've heard, is just plain awful. Of all their solo work Syd's is actually the most listenable and I'm not a Barrett fan at all. But together it was magic.
PF right now is Gilmore and Mason. Roger quit. You don't quit a company and then expect to advertise on their website for free 30 years later, even if you did develop a large share of that company's popular product. This is unrealistic.
From almost all accounts the abusive spouse analogy is pretty spot on. Sometimes a person's behavior is so bad that reconciliation is impossible. You can't verbally abuse your spouse for years and then expect to show up on the Christmas card after a messy divorce. No matter how remorseful you may be.
Roger is a brilliant songwriter and brilliant at conceptualizing ideas. But like many people of that type he has always failed to appreciate or understand how important the people who make those ideas work are.
Dave seems like a man who can hold a grudge quite well. He also seems to be a great procrastinator. He would have been better off inviting someone into the band permanently who could write lyrics instead of using his girlfriend. That being said, High Hopes is my favorite PF song.
Dave's solo work is dull. Roger's solo work is unlistenable. Rick's solo work from much earlier, what little bit I've heard, is just plain awful. Of all their solo work Syd's is actually the most listenable and I'm not a Barrett fan at all. But together it was magic.
I can listen to Dave solo, though yeah, better lyrics would help. Still, "Learning To Fly" and "On The Turning Away" are my 2 favorite PF tunes.
Roger can't be "welcomed back with open arms" until he stops being an a-hole and apologizes. No sign of that happening. Billed himself as "The Creative Genius Behind Pink Floyd" on his latest album and tour - naw, Rog, that's not picking at the scars of old wounds.... ....geeez.... the man has the emotional intelligence and empathy of an insect.
Roger can't be "welcomed back with open arms" until he stops being an a-hole and apologizes. No sign of that happening. Billed himself as "The Creative Genius Behind Pink Floyd" on his latest album and tour - naw, Rog, that's not picking at the scars of old wounds.... ....geeez.... the man has the emotional intelligence and empathy of an insect.
Roger's you can't be Pink Floyd if I am not part of it was always ridiculous. I liked the two albums/CDs after Roger left.
Sum of the parts is often greater than one individual. It has been proven over and over. Of course that is why most of these guys are still living off the work they did 50+ years ago.
Sum of the parts is often greater than one individual. It has been proven over and over. Of course that is why most of these guys are still living off the work they did 50+ years ago.
I'm gonna disagree with this...Although i thought his last album sounded like a demo to me, the 3 previous ones; Pros and Cons, Kaos, and Amused to death were fabulous in my opinion..especially amused to death, that was extremely good..but ymmv...all three were far above any post waters floyd offerings...I will say tho, the pink floyd of the wall, etc..was as good as it gets..and the sum was greater than the parts..
