Wow. I remember when all the press was about Plant turning down $$$$ for a few reunion concerts and I thought he was a butt. Now I understand why.
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Roger Waters
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Is JPJ a pauper?
The rumor was that Frank got a loan from other than a bank and had to be real careful paying it back.
uggh...Roger; this is a complex thing..was pink floyd better with him? absolutely no question about it..momentary lapse of reason..decent album but certainly not the quality of pink floyd with Roger..its sad too because the sum of the part was greater..Gilmour was half the band too..
His solo stuff..Hitchhiking- awesome ; Radio Kaos - another great album and the tour was great.. Amused to death..Probably Roger's best work since the wall..that is incredibly great...
Is Roger Pink Floyd? Yes..from Dark side on, he was the force behind the greatness, and it doesn't take away from the rest of the band at all..but DG cannot write stuff in concept like RW not even close...The Wall is probably the best concept album ever written..does it get done without Roger? hell no...I understand why gilmour was sick of Roger's poopie...he did develop a complex and thought he was the whole band...not true, that album (Wall) as great as the writing and concept was, is nowhere near the same without DG's contribution on guitar..that solo on comfortably numb is proof of that...
Its sad that they couldn't get along, but this happens. At the time they were huge, and they had to play big arenas and stadiums and Roger didn't care for that..so it was a thing where the band got too big and well, what happens all too often happened...implosion..
His solo stuff..Hitchhiking- awesome ; Radio Kaos - another great album and the tour was great.. Amused to death..Probably Roger's best work since the wall..that is incredibly great...
Is Roger Pink Floyd? Yes..from Dark side on, he was the force behind the greatness, and it doesn't take away from the rest of the band at all..but DG cannot write stuff in concept like RW not even close...The Wall is probably the best concept album ever written..does it get done without Roger? hell no...I understand why gilmour was sick of Roger's poopie...he did develop a complex and thought he was the whole band...not true, that album (Wall) as great as the writing and concept was, is nowhere near the same without DG's contribution on guitar..that solo on comfortably numb is proof of that...
Its sad that they couldn't get along, but this happens. At the time they were huge, and they had to play big arenas and stadiums and Roger didn't care for that..so it was a thing where the band got too big and well, what happens all too often happened...implosion..
They all reconciled. Get over it.
On the turning away
From the pale and downtrodden
And the words they say
Which we won't understand
"Don't accept that what's happening
Is just a case of others' suffering
Or you'll find that you're joining in
The turning away"
It's a sin that somehow
Light is changing to shadow
And casting its shroud
Over all we have known
Unaware how the ranks have grown
Driven on by a heart of stone
We could find that we're all alone
In the dream of the proud
On the wings of the night
As the daytime is stirring
Where the speechless unite
In a silent accord
Using words you will find are strange
Mesmerized as they light the flame
Feel the new wind of change
On the wings of the night
No more turning away
From the weak and the weary
No more turning away
From the coldness inside
Just a world that we all must share
It's not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be
No more turning away?
And then one for me, which I waited about 43 years to take this picture to fulfil the first time I heard this song when it was a new song in 1975 and I was 13 years old (the only difference is Mom saw Elvis in 1956 and bought me my first guitar, and the reason I didn't like school was they were holding me back from what I wanted to learn, so I made straight "A's," got a scholarship, left high school a semester early, and got my BA summa cum laude in 27 months: January 1980 to May 1982).
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been? It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
provided with toys and Scouting for Boys.
You bought a guitar to punish your ma,
And you didn't like school, and you know you're nobody's fool,
So welcome to the machine.
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream? It's alright we told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a big star, he played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the Steak Bar. He loved to drive in his Jaguar.
So welcome to the machine.
On the turning away
From the pale and downtrodden
And the words they say
Which we won't understand
"Don't accept that what's happening
Is just a case of others' suffering
Or you'll find that you're joining in
The turning away"
It's a sin that somehow
Light is changing to shadow
And casting its shroud
Over all we have known
Unaware how the ranks have grown
Driven on by a heart of stone
We could find that we're all alone
In the dream of the proud
On the wings of the night
As the daytime is stirring
Where the speechless unite
In a silent accord
Using words you will find are strange
Mesmerized as they light the flame
Feel the new wind of change
On the wings of the night
No more turning away
From the weak and the weary
No more turning away
From the coldness inside
Just a world that we all must share
It's not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be
No more turning away?
And then one for me, which I waited about 43 years to take this picture to fulfil the first time I heard this song when it was a new song in 1975 and I was 13 years old (the only difference is Mom saw Elvis in 1956 and bought me my first guitar, and the reason I didn't like school was they were holding me back from what I wanted to learn, so I made straight "A's," got a scholarship, left high school a semester early, and got my BA summa cum laude in 27 months: January 1980 to May 1982).
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been? It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
provided with toys and Scouting for Boys.
You bought a guitar to punish your ma,
And you didn't like school, and you know you're nobody's fool,
So welcome to the machine.
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream? It's alright we told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a big star, he played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the Steak Bar. He loved to drive in his Jaguar.
So welcome to the machine.
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Roger pretty much alienated the other members of Pink Floyd … he doesn't seem to understand that
Well, Roger's Pink Floyd stuff is all around magnificient. He might not be the greatest musician out there but he sure is a hell of a songwriter. If I know correctly they already had a trial over PF's name back in 80s. He kind of has a point but he chose to leave the band long time ago and made a name for himself, every PF fan knows him so he definitely is not forgotten. Most importantly, I mean, come on man, you're gonna turn 77 this year, youre certainly no beggar, so why dont you enjoy the rest of your days in peace instead?
Well, it's hard to be an epic hero without any dragons to fight...
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Pink Floyd without Roger Waters = boring, bland overproduced songs, basically just a lot of washed out guitar solos IMO.
Roger Waters without Pink Floyd = Almost, but not quite, as good as the golden (mid 70s) years of Pink Floyd.
David Gilmour without Pink Floyd = zzzzzz
Roger Waters is an artist, a composer and a visionary. And although he isn't the most technically advanced bass player he writes very tasteful and extremely effective bass lines. I actually love his style of bass playing. It is quite unique in all it's simplicity. I also think he is a far more interesting vocalist than Gilmour. It's not pretty much he has this insanely intimate edge to his singing. Like his voice is inside you head.
David Gilmour is just an above average guitar player, decent songwriter and below average vocalist who happened to be in one of the greatest bands in the world. He is very overrated IMO and his solo albums are COMPLETELY uninteresting to me. Sure, he was an important part Pink Floyd but so were Wright and Mason.
Judging by the respective Pink Floyd members' careers after Roger Waters left I don't understand how anyone can think that Waters wasn't the most important person behind Pink Floyd's artistic vision. Basically the stuff that made them an EPIC band and not just a good band. Sure, RW seems like a bit of an arrogant, eccentric genius type but his contributions to Pink Floyd cannot be denied. And it's not like Gilmour hasn't acted like a moron in their little public feud either.
Roger Waters without Pink Floyd = Almost, but not quite, as good as the golden (mid 70s) years of Pink Floyd.
David Gilmour without Pink Floyd = zzzzzz
Roger Waters is an artist, a composer and a visionary. And although he isn't the most technically advanced bass player he writes very tasteful and extremely effective bass lines. I actually love his style of bass playing. It is quite unique in all it's simplicity. I also think he is a far more interesting vocalist than Gilmour. It's not pretty much he has this insanely intimate edge to his singing. Like his voice is inside you head.
David Gilmour is just an above average guitar player, decent songwriter and below average vocalist who happened to be in one of the greatest bands in the world. He is very overrated IMO and his solo albums are COMPLETELY uninteresting to me. Sure, he was an important part Pink Floyd but so were Wright and Mason.
Judging by the respective Pink Floyd members' careers after Roger Waters left I don't understand how anyone can think that Waters wasn't the most important person behind Pink Floyd's artistic vision. Basically the stuff that made them an EPIC band and not just a good band. Sure, RW seems like a bit of an arrogant, eccentric genius type but his contributions to Pink Floyd cannot be denied. And it's not like Gilmour hasn't acted like a moron in their little public feud either.
I enjoy Pink Floyd's rivalries. I still see both Gilmour and Waters as a part of Pink Floyd, regardless
Absolutely love Pink Floyd, but never was a Waters fan. Seemed like he had an attitude. When I think of Pink Floyd, I think of David Gilmour, not Waters. IMHO Guy Pratt is a better player.
Depends on where you get the story. I used to think Roger was greedy and controlling by doing the most writing on The Wall. Come to find out that he was getting on Richard's case for not contributing enough writing material to the band.
Glenn Frey had that same overbearing image as to why Randy Meisner left the Eagles. The other side of the story?
Randy didn't like the spotlight. He had the curtain call song Take it to the Limit. Glenn said the fans went crazy when he hit those high notes, so he had to do it for the sake of the band and the fans.
That whole bit with Eric the Clown still ranks as one of the funniest things I've ever seen lmao. That show had alot of them.
Some people here forget or are just not interested in educating themselves on the acrimony, angst and absolutely appalling megalomanic behavior Roger threw at his bandmates for years before he departed, Gilmour and him had come to fists a few times, Wright was so PTSD'd by Waters he turned to heroin, Roger by that point didn't want bandmates, he wanted musicians. He left Pink Floyd because he believed they were pathetic without him calling them "a spent force".
Some may argue about their output after he left BUT he played his hand wrong, the band stayed popular, some people still dig the division bell YMMV but Roger needs to stay in his corner.
Some may argue about their output after he left BUT he played his hand wrong, the band stayed popular, some people still dig the division bell YMMV but Roger needs to stay in his corner.
The Pink Floyd name should have been shelved once Roger left. Pink Floyd is really just a high quality tribute band without him.
Well... where to start? I mostly disagree with almost everything you wrote here!
To me Pink Floyd without Waters remains a fantastic band!
Roger's work since he quit is sometimes excellent (hitchhiking) and sometimes just average (radio kaos).
David Gilmour is no less than the best rock guitarist ever... musically and tonally! period!
And his solo albums are greats!
The only one that acted like a moron in the Floyd's conflict is Roger! Dave was in his perfect right to go on with PF after Roger quit. He gave back the copyrights to Nick and Richard and treated the whole band with equity and regards... what Roger never did since the Syd Barret's days.
But after all we are not here to talk about justice, integrity or good behavior. Musically speaking I think Floyd was giant with Roger. The concept albums thing, his style, was amazing. Once he left, of course, it became different. Without him the band went back to basics: no concept, just songs! And good ones! Learning to fly! Dogs of war! On the turning away! High Hopes! You may not like it... I do! A lot!
No...
It hasn't be shelved after Syd's departure, there's no reason it should be for Roger's.
Just the beginning of the Floyd third age...
I'm not familiar with all of his music, but I was pretty impressed a few short years ago to learn that he was the highest earning live musician as a solo artist. All based an album he wrote over 30 years ago (The Wall). He did an amazing interview with Howard Stern a few years ago. He didn't come across as arrogant in any way, and he was upfront about all of his faults and feuding. I thought he was kind of humble to be honest.
Yes.
I think he now regrets his past behavior. He went a little down of his pedestal and therefore they could talk again and even play together.
Which is good, because he's an outstanding musician!
Some would say it's precisely because all of his earnings comes from songs he wrote 40 or 30 years ago and he needs to make young people know he was part of Pink Floyd...
But let's give him benefit of doubt...
I think he now regrets his past behavior. He went a little down of his pedestal and therefore they could talk again and even play together.
Which is good, because he's an outstanding musician!
Some would say it's precisely because all of his earnings comes from songs he wrote 40 or 30 years ago and he needs to make young people know he was part of Pink Floyd...
But let's give him benefit of doubt...
To me, this pretty much sums up Roger Waters:
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No class, even after all these years...
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No class, even after all these years...
