Roger Waters

[macmanlou]

I liked Roger Waters' work with Pink Floyd, but I like him more for the work he's done with disabled Veterans with MusiCorps, the Wounded Warrior Band. He evidently gets along well with them.

 

[DrMole]

To me, this pretty much sums up Roger Waters:

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No class, even after all these years...

No Roger, you would not have done better.

 

[sears]

The fact that Roger wasn't allowed to sing before Animals must've stuck in his craw. He probably saw himself as done wrong by David. Letting him sing refocused the band like adding Joe Walsh to the Eagles.

 

[lyonaudio]

He left the band in 1985. Why should they cut him any slack?

 

[Ostie]

I seriously doubt if Gilmour had any access to Waters’ website. When you quit a band, your body of work remains, but your business relationship expires. Waters needs to get over it and move on.

 

[BadSanta1281]

Holding a grudge is letting someone live rent-free in your head.

Even geniuses need to get over themselves sometimes.

 

[Lagado]

Waters had something to say. Post-Waters Floyd had a piece of carrot cake.

 

[garp]

Let it go, Rog. It's consuming you, and it ain't pretty.

So have a good drown
As you go down
All alone
Dragged down by the stone.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

So, I guess being in big time successful band is not all it's cracked up to be but, I would love to find out

Roger Waters Pink Floyd website - Bing

At this level, It’s all about the money and residual income. Sad.

 

[RichardW]

Is it really news that a talented artist can also be a narcissistic ass?

 

[Lagado]

"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way..."

Yes, in a nutshell.

Like I said, Waters had something to say...

 

[lomo]

RW.....a chip on his shoulder the size of Utah.....I've no use for his $hite.

 

[LoTone]

Morale of the story: don't leave the band to begin with.

 

[HardNHeavy]

apparently Gilmours wife's band is more relevant that Rogers........ouch!

 

[FlashBazbo]

Yes, Waters lives by the feud. He can't "be happy in peace." He has never been at peace with anyone, professionally or personally, including himself. He remains obsessed with Syd. (Does he have unresolved guilt feelings?) He remains a phenomenal a** with too much ego for seven bands, much less, one band. Is there a more self-important human on the planet?

There's more to being in a band than musicianship and the ability to craft a tune. People have got to want to be around you. Rog', nobody wants to be around you -- and haven't for years. Relax. It's who you are! Own it!

 

[JoshS]

I'm pretty sure he lost any and all rights to Pink Floyd in the lawsuit that followed Momentary Lapse. So, the fact he can't get on a website 35 years later? lol. Besides, even Gilmour isn't using Pink Floyd anymore and stated they will not be reuniting (DG and Mason or any other combinations) at this point. I think we'd be lucky to get one more swan song out of DG, even.

I love all eras of PF. I think the 70s were obviously when they truly hit their creative stride, but count me into the legion of fans that love DG's solo work, whether is is MLoR, Division Bell, Endless River, or his actual solo stuff. I loved Waters post-Floyd solo stuff too (well, up through ATD). Saw him live in 2000 and he put on an amazing show.

I wouldn't go at this point. He was rolling through Colorado (before COVID) this summer and I just think he's too off the deep end. He truly is a bitter old man. He was partisan in 2000 (that's great!), but I see it as almost hateful in 2020. I disagree that he still has anything to say. He's said it. Now he is just repeating and underlining what he already said. I just don't want to see it. I hope DG comes around someday though. He bends one note and I'm hooked in.

Edit: I'll disagree with those opinions on his ability as a bass player too. He can play. Technically proficient as VW? Of course not. But his basslines on The Wall (and several others) really form the foundation for the whole album. As much as any other, those lines made me want to pick up a bass.

 

[JoeWPgh]

Rivalries of the Rich and Famous. It seems neither of them wants to be the bigger man. So a pox on both their houses.

 

[JoshS]

Wow. I remember when all the press was about Plant turning down $$$$ for a few reunion concerts and I thought he was a butt. Now I understand why.

Is JPJ a pauper?

That Page owned all of LZ was news to me, too.
JPJ seems like he's doing OK: John Paul Jones Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth with a net worth of $90MM. (No idea accuracy of website). Maybe not quite befitting his contributions, but alright nonetheless.

Especially for someone who (reportedly) lives well within his means and has fairly modest tastes and continues to create.

 

[burpgun]

What always kind of galls me about about Roger Waters is he quit the band, they had their legal fights, they had a good reconciliation in 2008 and went out on as high a note as they could, and now it seems he's back to this petty stuff.

Pink Floyd is over as a going concern, Gilmour sold off all his classic guitars, Roger Waters is rich as hell and he's still out there making music and touring. Can't he just move on? Has he gained any wisdom as an old man?

That said, the thing I always wondered about self-made rich people is why most of them don't retire when they've got a lot of money. Eventually I realized the money is often just a score for whatever's driving their ambition. Roger's still got ambition, and he's also the kind of guy who seems to enjoy fighting with people.

 

[burpgun]

From the outside looking in, and just a guess, though the way this lines up, I may possibly be right in some ways:

That Gilmour can ban him from 'official' Pink Floyd online (or print, video, etc.) would tell me that as a business entity, aside from royalties from songwriting or performances, or any other stipulations in place when Waters and the rest of the band went separate ways at that time, he has no legal say in the band after that, may have been bought out, etc. Legally, he's on the outside looking in would be my guess: Otherwise, he would have some say, some presence, etc., you'd be able to buy RW stuff in their online store, etc. Now all he can really do is bitch about it, probably 'till he draws his last breath.

These things happen. The oft-repeated Journey BEHIND THE MUSIC episode with Steve Perry complaining more than once that he somehow just 'never felt he was part of the band' could very well mean that he was paid as a sideman and never extended a piece of group ownership. Zeppelin was owned 100% by Richard Grant and Jimmy Page, so when I hear about how Robert would never come back, it's not hard to assume why. Grant passed, and now Jimmy owns it lock, stock, and barrel. These sorts of things go on quietly, and are one more part of signing contracts with occasionally lifelong consequences without benefit of experience, sobriety, or counsel. This is how a lot of famous bands wind in court with their new lawyers fighting their old deal(s).

And in a new world where so many of the former revenue streams are gone, and now even touring, where The Stones, McCartney, and so many older artists live on the road because of it at their age, is off line. It's just tough times for The Lifestyles of the Rich and Shameless.

My understand of why Robert Plant doesn't want any part of a Led Zeppelin reunion is that he's entirely forward looking and wants to make new music. He's very well off and can do what he wants, and so he does. Plant's post-LZ career has been more uneven and I can see why he'd like a taste of old glories. Plant is still making totally vital music and is a model for how to work after being in a massive band.