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Roscoe Club

After a long time of drooling over the look and sound of a Roscoe, and after an awesome meeting with Keith in the Roscoe booth at the 2013 or 2014 Summer NAMM show, I'm finally ready to take the plunge! There is a fretless in the classifieds which definitely caught my attention, but I also found a passive Classic JJ5 which really caught my attention on Reverb...

Roscoe Classic Jazz 5 Bass - Tobacco Sunburst, Maple.

I don't have a whole lot of information on the calssics, but am really curious. It doesn't appear that the necks are the 3pc. laminate - are they a one piece standard maple neck do they have graphite reinforcement? Also, I see these are made from poplar instead of alder or ash? Sorry, I'm not overly familiar with the use of a poplar as a body wood... I understand it's similar to alder, but a little heavier and softer? I would love to learn more about the classic series basses.

Cheers everyone, I hopefully will be joining the fold very soon!

The neck is a 1-piece maple neck with graphite reinforcement.

Poplar is the standard body wood, alder ($50) and swamp ash ($100) are available as options for anyone interested.

As for the qualities of poplar, if you look at a black & white photo of alder and poplar, I'd bet you couldn't tell which was which - poplar has a bit of a "greenish" hue (can range from almost undetectable to "wow, there's a lot of green in that"), while alder has a kind of pinkish-peachy hue to it. As for tone, blindfolded, or if they had solid colors so you couldn't see the wood, they are indistinguishable from one another. They even WORK the same from a woodworking perspective - very smooth, even grain, easy to get nice and level for finish, tight grain so there isn't much filling to do before color (unlike swamp ash, which is why that wood is a $100 option - significantly more labor in the finish process). Weight can vary tremendously from one billet to another in the same species - heck in the same BOARD, it can. I've had 12 lb swamp ash bodied basses, and 7 lb mahogany bodied basses - there's more to it that the species for weight. Yes - if you took 100 billets of ash and 100 billets of mahogany, the mahogany stack will weigh more, but it isn't as simple as that. You have to consider many factors when weight is the question - for example, is the billet from the base of the tree (denser = heavier) or up near the top (less dense = lighter), or is the wood figured in any way (figured woods tend to be denser)?

Several builders use poplar, or maybe you've seen it called "tulipwood" when referring to a body wood.... ;)

As for why we use it - well, it's common in NC, in my yard, there are probably 10-15 trees big enough to justify harvesting and milling for body blanks (not saying I will...). It is locally sourced, grows rapidly, and is priced very reasonably.
 
Joe, I was shocked when I read you were selling your basses but now knowing the reason I could see why. I am so glad your tinnitus is getting better and you will be able to continue playing, especially on that sick fretless. You may want to look into 64 Audio IEMs. I have a pair, they are not cheap but are well worth the money. The IEMs are molded to match ear impressions and give about 18db of outside noise reduction which will allow you to listen to music at much lower levels. I have never experienced such clarity and instrument awareness, you hear it all at a very low level.

Here's the really stupid thing, I already own a nice pair of custom JH Audio jh16 IEM's. However, I only used them for gigs and not practice. I usually just used foam plugs then but, when I had to sing I would take them out.

Also, I have somatosensory tinnitus. The quick and dirty on that is that the ringing might not just be from noise but, also a neck injury. Basically, the signals in my dorsal cochlear nucleus (where audio, visual and pain all come together) are cross talking. This is why I am using a chiropractor experienced in this type of thing. I notice that when my neck and shoulders are more relaxed and less stiff that the noise is much quieter. Sometimes it goes back to normal for an hour or more. It's weird stuff.
 
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Looky what I got in the mail today!
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Awesome Joel! That one certainly is a beauty!:)

I tried 3 times to get Jon to sell that one to me. I guess I wasn't using the right bait!:D

Glad to hear that the situation with your hearing has a great chance of getting better!
I'm also glad to hear that it wasn't something terminal. Not to imply that your hearing issue isn't a big deal. I'm just glad that you didn't get diagnosed with some terminal illness.:)
 
The neck is a 1-piece maple neck with graphite reinforcement.

Poplar is the standard body wood, alder ($50) and swamp ash ($100) are available as options for anyone interested.

As for the qualities of poplar, if you look at a black & white photo of alder and poplar, I'd bet you couldn't tell which was which - poplar has a bit of a "greenish" hue (can range from almost undetectable to "wow, there's a lot of green in that"), while alder has a kind of pinkish-peachy hue to it. As for tone, blindfolded, or if they had solid colors so you couldn't see the wood, they are indistinguishable from one another. They even WORK the same from a woodworking perspective - very smooth, even grain, easy to get nice and level for finish, tight grain so there isn't much filling to do before color (unlike swamp ash, which is why that wood is a $100 option - significantly more labor in the finish process). Weight can vary tremendously from one billet to another in the same species - heck in the same BOARD, it can. I've had 12 lb swamp ash bodied basses, and 7 lb mahogany bodied basses - there's more to it that the species for weight. Yes - if you took 100 billets of ash and 100 billets of mahogany, the mahogany stack will weigh more, but it isn't as simple as that. You have to consider many factors when weight is the question - for example, is the billet from the base of the tree (denser = heavier) or up near the top (less dense = lighter), or is the wood figured in any way (figured woods tend to be denser)?

Several builders use poplar, or maybe you've seen it called "tulipwood" when referring to a body wood.... ;)

As for why we use it - well, it's common in NC, in my yard, there are probably 10-15 trees big enough to justify harvesting and milling for body blanks (not saying I will...). It is locally sourced, grows rapidly, and is priced very reasonably.

Cool... Thanks, Gard. I really appreciate the information.
 
Here's the really stupid thing, I already own a nice pair of custom JH Audio jh16 IEM's. However, I only used them for gigs and not practice. I usually just used foam plugs then but, when I had to sing I would take them out.

Also, I have somatosensory tinnitus. The quick and dirty on that is that the ringing might not just be from noise but, also a neck injury. Basically, the signals in my dorsal cochlear nucleus (where audio, visual and pain all come together) are cross talking. This is why I am using a chiropractor experienced in this type of thing. I notice that when my neck and shoulders are more relaxed and less stiff that the noise is much quieter. Sometimes it goes back to normal for an hour or more. It's weird stuff.
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So here is my new bass folks!
Absolutely incredible bass! I love everything about it except the 35" scale is gonna take a bit for me to get used to cause I switched back from 34" (gonna try some lighter gauge strings). I will say though that this 35" neck is a lot easier to play than most other 35" scale basses that I've owned or played.

I used it this past Sunday at the church where I play for the first time and I can tell you this bass cuts through the mix like a hot knife through butter! Seriously!
I absolutely love the Aguilar setup and would describe the DCBs as maybe somewhere between an EMG and a classic series Bartolini. They are clear, but not too bright.

This bass weighs exactly 9 lbs and is simply stunning to look at! The pictures don't really do it justice.

The workmanship is top notch and I have to say it's the best playing Roscoe that I've owned (and I have owned several). Maybe it's the Plek or the production at their new factory location, but whatever it is it's simply awesome and a big home run IMO!

If there was ever a time to consider a new Roscoe, IMHO now is the time! Out of this world quality for a very reasonable price (compared to many other basses out there)!

Would like to say a big thank you to Greg at Rocket Music and Gard at Roscoe.

Very very happy with this bass and they were great to deal with!

And now I want a Classic Roscoe, go figure!

GAS is a wonderful thing isn't it? :cool:
 

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Not to be crude but there is a vagina between the neck and neck pickup. Just sayin :wideyed: :D

Maybe not but it still looks amazing in the pics!

I'd swear that I see an owl in the grain of that bass. The eyes are between the bridge and bridge pickup and it's perched on the end of the neck .......

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Question on pickups for you all.

I have been playing my 6 a lot lately. Has Bart jazz pups and preamp. Using it for the new cover band. Country, funk, pop, rock, etc. Love the sound, but 6 strings may be a little overkill. I have my 5 with Bart soaps and preamp, but I haven't been as in love with the tone lately. The 5 would probably be a little easier to "rock" in the new band - so would a Classic Custom I suppose. Anyway...I was wondering last night if maybe changing the soaps on my 5 to a more "jazz type" pickup would make me fall in love again so to speak.

Gard suggested something by Nordstrand maybe. Any suggestions?
 
Question on pickups for you all.

I have been playing my 6 a lot lately. Has Bart jazz pups and preamp. Using it for the new cover band. Country, funk, pop, rock, etc. Love the sound, but 6 strings may be a little overkill. I have my 5 with Bart soaps and preamp, but I haven't been as in love with the tone lately. The 5 would probably be a little easier to "rock" in the new band - so would a Classic Custom I suppose. Anyway...I was wondering last night if maybe changing the soaps on my 5 to a more "jazz type" pickup would make me fall in love again so to speak.

Gard suggested something by Nordstrand maybe. Any suggestions?
Gard gave you the best advice. Go Nordstrand. My favorites are the Big Splits. I think he can fit those into any size shell and they're awesome. No need to waste your time with anything else.
 
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Question on pickups for you all.

I have been playing my 6 a lot lately. Has Bart jazz pups and preamp. Using it for the new cover band. Country, funk, pop, rock, etc. Love the sound, but 6 strings may be a little overkill. I have my 5 with Bart soaps and preamp, but I haven't been as in love with the tone lately. The 5 would probably be a little easier to "rock" in the new band - so would a Classic Custom I suppose. Anyway...I was wondering last night if maybe changing the soaps on my 5 to a more "jazz type" pickup would make me fall in love again so to speak.

Gard suggested something by Nordstrand maybe. Any suggestions?

Hi Steve,

One thing you could do for free on your 5er (if you are handy with wiring, soldering/desoldering) is to disconnect one of the coils from each of your Bart humbuckers. When I got my first Roscoe, a Century Signature, the pickups were very dark for my personal taste, so I desoldered the 'inside coils' of my humbuckers, leaving me with a 'jazzier' single coil tone. The bass is perfect for me now, and I could easily return the wiring to stock or set it up as neck single/bridge humbucker, etc. I've been rocking the Century for several years this way...Roscoe/Bart humbuckers with only one coil in each pickup connected.

Here's the Bartolini wiring diagram page. On the very bottom, you can see what each conductor does on each pickup so you can disconnect the bridge coil on the neck pickup, and the neck coil on the bridge pickup. I could also take a picture on my control cavity later if you are interested.
http://www.bartolini.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/4-Conductor-Wiring-Diagram.pdf

You could try this idea to hear what it sounds like before you order up some Nordstands...you may fall in love with the sound and not need to order anything. :thumbsup:
 
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Question on pickups for you all.

I have been playing my 6 a lot lately. Has Bart jazz pups and preamp. Using it for the new cover band. Country, funk, pop, rock, etc. Love the sound, but 6 strings may be a little overkill. I have my 5 with Bart soaps and preamp, but I haven't been as in love with the tone lately. The 5 would probably be a little easier to "rock" in the new band - so would a Classic Custom I suppose. Anyway...I was wondering last night if maybe changing the soaps on my 5 to a more "jazz type" pickup would make me fall in love again so to speak.

Gard suggested something by Nordstrand maybe. Any suggestions?

May I suggest Bart CB's? I was experimenting between the Roscoe Bart's and Norstrand Dual Coils and long story short, I ended up ordering some Bart CB's from Gard and I haven't looked back. The tone of the CB's is in the ball park of the Nordstrand's to my ears. I've swapped both of my LG's over to the CB's and I will swap out the Roscoe Bart's on my SKB's at some point. Between that modification and using Demeter amps now, I haven't been more happy with my tone.
 
May I suggest Bart CB's? I was experimenting between the Roscoe Bart's and Norstrand Dual Coils and long story short, I ended up ordering some Bart CB's from Gard and I haven't looked back. The tone of the CB's is in the ball park of the Nordstrand's to my ears. I've swapped both of my LG's over to the CB's and I will swap out the Roscoe Bart's on my SKB's at some point. Between that modification and using Demeter amps now, I haven't been more happy with my tone.
The pickups in Steve's 5 are CBs.

I agree with Gard and those above that suggest something like Nordstrand Big Splits, the new Bigrig, etc. - Nordstrand will have to custom make the 5 string version in the P4 size cover with Roscoe spacing. They know the specs to do so and don't mind at all for a small upcharge.

I think having that option along with your 6 with the Bartolini J style pickups for your church playing and such would be a great combo.
 
The pickups in Steve's 5 are CBs.

I agree with Gard and those above that suggest something like Nordstrand Big Splits, the new Bigrig, etc. - Nordstrand will have to custom make the 5 string version in the P4 size cover with Roscoe spacing. They know the specs to do so and don't mind at all for a small upcharge.

I think having that option along with your 6 with the Bartolini J style pickups for your church playing and such would be a great combo.


Ahh. I missed that. Thank you for the correction.