Roy Vogt's Bass Ed Think Tank

[John Wentzien]

That stuff is the basis of most early rock 'n roll walking lines. When I first learned the major triad, the first thing I thought was that sounds like "ob la di, ob la da". Then I saw a fingering diagram for arpeggios and when I played the one that was R-3-5-b7-9 it struck me that those were the notes in the riff for "pretty woman".

That ended up being ear-training by association, kind of like a musical ink-blot test

When you figure out how these connect in a "chord-progression" the mystery is half over!

 

[chadhargis]

Stupid question time.....

If a scale has 7 intervals...the what the hell is a 9? an 11? How can a scale have 9 or 11 intervals?

When I play two octave scales across all strings, I count, "1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1-2-3-4-5-6-7". Am I doing that wrong?

 

[John Wentzien]

Stupid question time.....

If a scale has 7 intervals...the what the hell is a 9? an 11? How can a scale have 9 or 11 intervals?

When I play two octave scales across all strings, I count, "1-2-3-4-5-6-7-1-2-3-4-5-6-7". Am I doing that wrong?

Those are "tensions" or sometimes call "extentions"
Once you get above an "octave" (wich is the 8th note) you count the interval above the root.
This distinguishes the note from being an octave up from the original scale...Hope this made sense...
edit/ therefore the 9th would be the next note in the scale above the "octave"

 

[chadhargis]

Those are "tensions" or sometimes call "extentions"
Once you get above an "octave" (wich is the 8th note) you count the interval above the root.
This distinguishes the note from being an octave up from the original scale...Hope this made sense...
edit/ therefore the 9th would be the next note in the scale above the "octave"

So, the 9th is really the 2 an octave above where you started.

Got it. Makes sense to me.

 

[John Wentzien]

So, the 9th is really the 2 an octave above where you started.

Got it. Makes sense to me.

BINGO!

 

[John Wentzien]

And so on up the scale! 11th, 13th, ect.

 

[Eminentbass]

When you figure out how these connect in a "chord-progression" the mystery is half over!

It's just occured to me that the line to "la bamba" is a bassline and rudimentary chord tone through changes exercise all rolled into one package. Haha, I knew learning how to play "rock around the clock", "in the mood" and a host of other songs that all share the same bassline would come in handy one day.

 

[John Wentzien]

It's just occured to me that the line to "la bamba" is a bassline and rudimentary chord tone through changes exercise all rolled into one package. Haha, I knew learning how to play "rock around the clock", "in the mood" and a host of other songs that all share the same bassline would come in handy one day.

You just learned 90% of all music thats on the radio today!

 

[REAPER52]

What book or books do you think a new bass player should have. I have been playing about 1 1/2 years and so far i am pretty much self taught . Dont have the access to a teacher. but i can read. Been doing the tab thing and play along with the computer to the songs i like. But that alone ,wont get me where i want to be. So what book or books are a must have to progress?

 

[Roy Vogt]

What book or books do you think a new bass player should have. I have been playing about 1 1/2 years and so far i am pretty much self taught . Dont have the access to a teacher. but i can read. Been doing the tab thing and play along with the computer to the songs i like. But that alone ,wont get me where i want to be. So what book or books are a must have to progress?

Although I don't totally agree with all of his scale fingerings and I'm not a fan of TAB, I think David Overthrow has done a good job introducing the basics in these 3 books:
Beginning Electric Bass
Intermediate Electric Bass
Mastering Electric Bass (all published by National Guitar Workshop)
It will get you through a sample of a whole lot of things and get you ready for my rudimentary book list. Just don't take his TAB as Gospel for where to play things-try and find at least one place on your own to play it.
Here's his Ask a Pro section on TB
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=166

 

[adivin]

I would recommend this if you don't have access to a teacher. It's the next best thing. It's a series of 8 dvd's with 20 lessons. I hear the guy is pretty good. Roy, you know anything about this?

Here is the link [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

 

[Pacman]

So, the 9th is really the 2 an octave above where you started.

Got it. Makes sense to me.

Sort of - it's only an octave up "on paper" because chords are built in 3rds. It can be voiced anywhere, not necessarily up the octave.

 

[John Wentzien]

Sort of - it's only an octave up "on paper" because chords are built in 3rds. It can be voiced anywhere, not necessarily up the octave.

VERY TRUE!
Just trying to get the idea across!

 

[Roy Vogt]

I would recommend this if you don't have access to a teacher. It's the next best thing. It's a series of 8 dvd's with 20 lessons. I hear the guy is pretty good. Roy, you know anything about this?

Here is the link [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

Uh, yeah.....I just wanted to be really careful to make this a thread of service and not self-promotion.
That being said-it's a darn good course. Thanks!
It's 10 DVDs instead of 8 but you're right-it's 20 lessons and about 2 years worth of serious work.

 

[adivin]

Sorry, yes 10 dvd's. Roy, I have your course; where would be an appropriate place for questions and comments - PM?

I dig the shoes BTW.

aj

 

[bassy7]

Adivin,

Hey put your questions and comments right here on this thread. While there are probably forum rules about being on this forum just to promote ones product directly...... there is absolutely no problem (in my eyes) with you taking the lead to ask him about the product (DVD lessons) for either more clarification or simply to tell him what you think about it- or to suggest it to others.

Roy (or anyone with an agenda to sell their stuff) cant just come on here and say- "The secret is all in my DVDs for purchase". Thats not fair to the folks that pay to have their banner ads above the thread. But again, we can feel free to talk it up or ask him questions about it.

 

[Roy Vogt]

Sorry, yes 10 dvd's. Roy, I have your course; where would be an appropriate place for questions and comments - PM?

I dig the shoes BTW.

aj

You can always post at this thread:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=628153&highlight=roy+vogt+teach
Or I'm cool with you posting here on this thread, or you can PM me as well.
Thanks, those are some one of a kind Reeboks

 

[Ground Pounder]

Thanks for the thread Roy - couple of "fun" questions for you:

1) What's your favorite duo-partner to jam with? Guitar, Piano, or maybe something else?

2) What kind of hidden treasures are on your iPod that we'd never guess in a million years would be on your iPod?

Cheers,

GP

 

[chadhargis]

Great questions!

I'd like to know that myself.

Do professional players still play for fun? What huge fun it would be to get the power players around here together for some pickin' and grinnin'. Just toss back some brews, gorge on food and play music.

 

[Roy Vogt]

Thanks for the thread Roy - couple of "fun" questions for you:

1) What's your favorite duo-partner to jam with? Guitar, Piano, or maybe something else?

2) What kind of hidden treasures are on your iPod that we'd never guess in a million years would be on your iPod?

Cheers,

GP

1) I have a couple of guitarists (Shane Roberts and Stan Lassiter) I love playing with. Acoustic guitar and fretless bass seems really magical to me.
2) Well, I have Kate Bush's Greatest Hits, The Beach Boys, Paul Simon, Eva Cassidy, Robert Earl Keen, all sorts of singer-songwriter stuff. And "Elvira" by the Oak Ridge Boys-it's a long story.....