S/D Bassists #86 - Dollar Tree Romance

[Auspex]

In the end it made a decision we were already considering that much easier.

Plus, with the keyboards having 5 dudes in the band feels like too much stuff going on. I like the simplicity of a 1 guitar setup...And it allows my bass playing to have a more prominent role.

 

[Corey Y]

I went on tour with a group where the other band used my entire setup the whole time. I had ZERO problems with that. Because he asked before the tour and I knew he was a nice, respectful dude.

This new guy is an ok dude, but is one of those guys that is just socially clueless. Doesn't even know when he's being an ass. Which is really unfortunate and makes for bad band chemistry.

I've been in the same situation. I've gone on tours with other bands and shared gear, no problem. I've let friends borrow stuff for recording, for shows. I just only ever do that for people that I know respect gear and would take responsibility if something happened and I've never had a bad experience that way.

Rude people hardly ever know they're being rude. It's kind of a given, if you're thinking about how other people would feel about something you're doing, you're probably NOT self absorbed, selfish and rude lol. It's sort of the flip side to the thing I always tell my wife, when she's getting really hard on herself. If you're worried about being a bad person, you're probably not one. Sh*tty people don't think about how what they do affects others, it's why they're sh*tty.

 

[Nashrakh]

In the end it made a decision we were already considering that much easier.

Plus, with the keyboards having 5 dudes in the band feels like too much stuff going on. I like the simplicity of a 1 guitar setup...And it allows my bass playing to have a more prominent role.

Add a saxophone. As a sax playing doomster it is my holy mission to introduce this instrument as part of the standard line-up. And to make the #11 an acceptable tension.

 

[Corey Y]

Add a saxophone. As a sax playing doomster it is my holy mission to introduce this instrument as part of the standard line-up. And to make the #11 an acceptable tension.

Baritone sax...doom version of Morphine? Whoever does it already has my preorder for the album.

 

[Pelham Bleu]

Thanks! It's my go-to dirt at the moment. I've got the GK set for a nice growl, and then add the Muff on Top for more dirt.

I like just about every possible setting on mine, but I never play out with it because I'd hate for something to happen to it.

 

[Nashrakh]

Baritone sax...doom version of Morphine? Whoever does it already has my preorder for the album.

Baritone is heavy-weight. I only play tenor, which works for most of the popular doom keys (my band is usually in the A, B range - lowest playable note on tenor is an Ab which is a half step below the open A of a standard tuned guitar). If you absolutely need to go lower, an octaver works like a charm and sounds real gnarly, it's a far-out sound especially with a nice OD pedal on top. Beyond that woodwinds don't work with effects that well, sadly - wah sounds like a$$, tremolo and delay destroy the sound too much.

I'm actually kind of disappointed that Fertility Cult are about the only band in the broader s/d genre to employ sax on a larger scale. If there is one instrument that would really add a whole 'nother dimension to the genre, it would be a sax. Scratch that, make that a woodwind section.

Come to think of it, Sunn has worked with trombonists...

 

[Pelham Bleu]

Saw a demo vid of the somewhat controversial OB-1K. Gotta admit, I was digging it, but at $2,100 (with shell) I'm not interested.

 

[Korladis]

How many does that thing take?

Four. One of which has the little metal sheath around it.

It's probably only one and may just need the tube socket cleaned. Had that problem recently. Also pre tubes are cheap

Nah, it's at least two. Poked them with a (wooden) pencil and all. They're the same ones that have been in there since I got it, and I probably have been hitting them pretty hard. Especially so if there's one in the circuit after the graphic EQ, which only boost on, never cut.

Did some songwriting/jamming with the band last night. We were trying to work in a bridge on a song and couldn't get the part to feel right. I tossed out the ol' "let's go halftime here" and it seemed to fit pretty well. So the song's cruising along and then, boom, the halftime part hits and it's kinda jarring, but in a good way. I always like that effect and it's fun to play.

That's generally a good way to go.

We do a similar thing. I like the sudden shock of big, slow, open notes.

The heaviest part in Catapult's song kicks in after a relatively up tempo part. It's all the more crushing for that.

Hah damn, had I not just bought that Jazz I might have been interested. Played one at GC awhile back and it was awesome.

I keep wanting a jazz bass even though they're pretty far from my ideal. Been thinking about getting an un-routed J bass body and putting pickups where I want them.

For me, it's because I'm not a very good musician. I can kind of zone of and just jam on 4/4 forever. Anything else requires me to fight against the 4/4 groove I naturally fall in to. I don't mind playing in odd time, but but for the long jam stuff that I really connect with, it's got to be slow and rhythmic 4/4.

It's definitely easiest to groove in 4/4 or some variation thereof.

I wouldn't say they're hard, just that we have internalized 4/4 so much we fall back to it instinctively. What do you do against that? Internalize the odd ones too. The best odd time stuff is where you don't plainly recognize it as such.

Never heard any non-musician complain about Floyd's 'money', at least

Maybe it's time for yet another metal subgenre: Progressive Doom.

Just plain lol.

Yeah, think it's just that it's harder to get a really good groove going in an odd tempo. Except for 3/4. That's super easy to groove to, for me.

Arg double post! New phone has a stutter.

But you are absolutely right about why they are hard. Most people were only taught to count in even numbered time signatures(except 3/4 maybe 5/4). I know the music a majors get more but for most people it's 4/4.

Most western music is in 4/4 or 3/4. We grow up hearing those all the time, whereas 5/4, 6/4, 7/4, etc. are unfamiliar.

The waltz is such an awesome beat. Can be so heavy if some right. Very easy to fail though.

I loooooove waltzes. Especially sad ones.

I'm a huge sucker for 3/4 time. Especially a slow 3/4.

Me, too. Triplicate time signatures in general (including 6/8, 9/8, and 12/8 as well).

One of the reasons Primordial is among my favorite bands. So many awesome triplicate time signatures. Grooves differently than duplicate time signatures, but in an awesome way.

Yob's "Great Cessation" is a waltz, if I'm remembering right. Some weird syncopation or time signature stuff (not sure which) going on in "Atma," too.

Anyone have a time signature in bed? Or notice lol

Maybe during cunnilingus.

What Laz said, ha ha. Except not maybe. Always.

 

[Korladis]

Just found out our newer guitarist invited some friends over to our band space for a jam session on all our gear last night. Not cool. He's a good guitarist, but we've had to battle him on EVERY decision. Gonna give him the boot; this crosses the line.

It's like he borrowed my car; I need to run over there to make sure my seat position is good and there aren't any new dents. eff

Yeah. At least ****ing ask, first. If my bandmate was like "Hey, can we use your rig for a little jam?" I'd probably be all "Sure, as long as the bass knob doesn't go past 5, and the 40 hz slider stays at noon or below. You're responsible for any damage."

But without asking? I'd be furious.

 

[Korladis]

In the end it made a decision we were already considering that much easier.

Plus, with the keyboards having 5 dudes in the band feels like too much stuff going on. I like the simplicity of a 1 guitar setup...And it allows my bass playing to have a more prominent role.

I can go either way. Sometimes more guitar makes a bit more restrictive an environment for the bass, but other times, I feel like there's such a thick mix that I can basically do whatever I want and it won't matter.

Catapult's guitar parts are kinda brutish and simple, at times, though, so that makes a lot of room, despite there being sometimes as many as three guitars.

 

[Korladis]

Baritone sax...doom version of Morphine? Whoever does it already has my preorder for the album.

Baritone saxophone is the best. So funky and great.

 

[Korladis]

Neurosis' "Through Silver in Blood" and "Cleanse" always reminds me of Taiko drumming. I think that would go awesome in doom metal, but Taiko are really expensive drums.

 

[Roofie]

I'm a bass player but it's funny you're talking about brass players because my first instrument was clarinent (I wanted to be a sax guy.) Seriously though, you guys have put me on to some good music so who cares?

Sorry I love stoner rock but maybe I'm too pissed? Are there any British Doomsters?

 

[Korladis]

I played trombone before I played bass.

 

[bassboysam]

I'm a bass player but it's funny you're talking about brass players because my first instrument was clarinent (I wanted to be a sax guy.) Seriously though, you guys have put me on to some good music so who cares?

Sorry I love stoner rock but maybe I'm too pissed? Are there any British Doomsters?

I don't know of an Brits in this thread. The closest would be Meddle who pops in occasionally but he's in Scotland.

 

[DethByDoom]

Just found out our newer guitarist invited some friends over to our band space for a jam session on all our gear last night. Not cool. He's a good guitarist, but we've had to battle him on EVERY decision. Gonna give him the boot; this crosses the line.

It's like he borrowed my car; I need to run over there to make sure my seat position is good and there aren't any new dents. eff

Yeah. At least ****ing ask, first. If my bandmate was like "Hey, can we use your rig for a little jam?" I'd probably be all "Sure, as long as the bass knob doesn't go past 5, and the 40 hz slider stays at noon or below. You're responsible for any damage."

But without asking? I'd be furious.

Use my heart without asking?.... That's a paddling.
Crank the bass and now speakers?.... That's a paddling.
Seriously though, if be out for blood.

I played trombone before I played bass.

Me too. Small world. I wanted to play sax so they gave me a trombone since they're kinda the same. Lying douche band teacher.

 

[Korladis]

Lol, saxes and trombones aren't at all the same. Except that both are shiny. Lying douche band teacher indeed.

My family had an old trombone, so that's what I played.

 

[mc_muench]

Great VEGA practice tonight, solid jams, all our songs are getting tighter and tighter each run through. We talked and we all agree we need to get the ball rolling on getting recording as soon as possible.

On the time signatures topic, VEGA is all feel.

 

[Corey Y]

Baritone is heavy-weight. I only play tenor, which works for most of the popular doom keys (my band is usually in the A, B range - lowest playable note on tenor is an Ab which is a half step below the open A of a standard tuned guitar). If you absolutely need to go lower, an octaver works like a charm and sounds real gnarly, it's a far-out sound especially with a nice OD pedal on top. Beyond that woodwinds don't work with effects that well, sadly - wah sounds like a$$, tremolo and delay destroy the sound too much.

I'm actually kind of disappointed that Fertility Cult are about the only band in the broader s/d genre to employ sax on a larger scale. If there is one instrument that would really add a whole 'nother dimension to the genre, it would be a sax. Scratch that, make that a woodwind section.

Come to think of it, Sunn has worked with trombonists...

I typed a reply hours ago, but I realize I forgot to hit post before I left work.

If you ever want to do an online collaboration, I'd be down. I can bang out tracks and mix easily at home. That's the kind of musical idea that could be really simple, but have a lot of cool mixing possibilities. Especially with reverb and delay, to get a really haunting, spacey feel.

 

[bassresistance]

I don't know of an Brits in this thread. The closest would be Meddle who pops in occasionally but he's in Scotland.

I'm in Scotland too... still counts as Britain, at least until the independence referendum