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Scalpers..Are They Helping Kill Live Music?

Many here claim that live music is dying.

Maybe it is..maybe it isn't.

But I see where concert tickets are offered at reasonable prices to start with..and then moments later a scalper cleans out the site by buying them all up and then reselling them for an atrocious price.

Up here in Canada, for one example,there's a guy that lives in Quebec that is known for doing this.

They'd like to go after him but he uses offshore bots and other things to get around the Canadian legalities.

There are ticket brokers that claim they are innocent and can't control scalpers. But in one doc I watched it turns out they actively promote them.

Well... I'm not paying $800 dollars to go see somebody no matter how good they are.

You?
 
There is a simple solution that would eliminate scalpers completely.

No one buys a ticket from a scalper for any reason. Ever. That's it...they will immediately go out of business. But, it will never work because people are too greedy.

Not really a solution then, is it?

The real solution is to limit credit card purchases to in-state card holders.

Tix to everything here in Buffalo get sold out in microseconds to California card holders.

The local paper did some investigative journalism on this a year or more ago.
 
Scalpers.... I see them at every event I attend. And thing is, they aren't even covert about it these days. There may be an element there that makes live music less enjoyable. Just another small slice of the pie, really. The cost of seeing a live event is a larger contributor to the decline of live performance. I can tell all the war stories of seeing untold numbers of "A" level acts as a youngster quite affordably. These days I could afford to see most anybody I wanted to see, but I believe a narcotic addiction would be cheaper. I would rather keep my hard earned cash.
 
By scalpers, are you referring to the Joes on the street selling tix on the day of the show? Hardly a problem. Or do you mean the (now) highly organized computer mafia algorithm that purchases thousands of tix at a time known as the "secondary ticket market"? Yeah, that's a problem. But I suspect it won't go anywhere, not until the real cartel of ticket promoting companies is stopped, at least. Somehow, we still let Ticketmaster and their ilk handle ticket sales, and there is absolutely no need for their middleman services. Yet, they have a monopoly, and we have to pay their ludicrous service fees, despite the fact they don't actually provide a service. If exorbitant ticket costs are harming live music, then yes both scalpers and their frenemies the promoters share some blame. I for one limit how many big shows I go to because of the costs.
 
Many here claim that live music is dying.

Maybe it is..maybe it isn't.

But I see where concert tickets are offered at reasonable prices to start with..and then moments later a scalper cleans out the site by buying them all up and then reselling them for an atrocious price.

Up here in Canada, for one example,there's a guy that lives in Quebec that is known for doing this.

They'd like to go after him but he uses offshore bots and other things to get around the Canadian legalities.

There are ticket brokers that claim they are innocent and can't control scalpers. But in one doc I watched it turns out they actively promote them.

Well... I'm not paying $800 dollars to go see somebody no matter how good they are.

You?
That's the only reason I didn't go see The Tragically Hip on their last tour. It's ridiculous! But ticket prices are getting stupid to begin with.
 
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I don't think scalpers are killing live music.

Maybe big name artists charging $200 (nosebleed) and up for ticket has more to do with it.

I basically have given up on seing big name acts, U2, Roger Waters, Billy Joel, Dead and Co. and a number of others have been through these parts in the past couple of years, and after "fees" I don't think you could get into any of those shows for under $200 per person. Decent seats? Forget it.

Quite happy to accompany my daughter to small club gigs to see bands I have mostly never heard of (if it weren't for her) for $15/$20 a ticket. They are more exciting, and I can afford a beer for Christ sake.
 
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I agree about it being the high ticket prices in the first place. Seems i have to pay $60 to see a decent show now that used to be $20 15 years ago.

But scalpers are only a problem for huge sold out shows right? They have no effect on the majority of shows happening at small/medium sized venues for non-legendary acts.
 
It would depend on the type of venue and music act I suppose. And where you live. A place like Las Vegas has a lot of talent coming through every week, playing all over the city. And, there are still good deals on great acts if you do some searching around. In Vegas, you can pay a fair price to see just about any headliner at any casino. No scalpers just capitalist like the ticket outlets, but their prices are fair, not inflated. And if you're into the classic rock and R&B you can see class acts that are (or will soon be) in some music hall of fame. A couple of months Edgar Winter tickets were on sale for $25 at Boulder Stattion Casino. As well as many other legends from the Motown era, Disco era, and even heavy metal bands from the 80s. All for a cheap price.

But the popular annual events like EDC or NASCAR do draw the scalpers.
 
Not really a solution then, is it?

The real solution is to limit credit card purchases to in-state card holders.

Tix to everything here in Buffalo get sold out in microseconds to California card holders.

The local paper did some investigative journalism on this a year or more ago.
I live in Illinois and regularly purchase tickets for shows in Wisconsin and Michigan and then go to the shows. Limiting tickets to in state cards will simply increase the value of scalping tickets in your home state.
 
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I don't think scalpers are killing live music.

Maybe big name artists charging $200 (nosebleed) and up for ticket has more to do with it.

I basically have given up on seing big name acts, U2, Roger Waters, Billy Joel, Dead and Co. and a number of others have been through these parts in the past couple of years, and after "fees" I don't think you could get into any of those shows for under $200 per person. Decent seats? Forget it.

Quite happy to accompany my daughter to small club gigs to see bands I have mostly never heard of (if it weren't for her) for $15/$20 a ticket. They are more exciting, and I can afford a beer for Christ sake.

Quoting myself to add more, and maybe rant a bit, about these big name acts and prices. I know there is a supply and demand element here - if they can sell the tickets, OK then, let the market determine the appropriate price.

But concerts have now become something only for the reasonably well to do, and I think that's a shame. And by the way, I would think that way even if I were "reasonably well to do", which I am not.

I am 52, my kids (14 & 18) are music fans, particularly my 18YO, and have grown up listening to all sorts of stuff, and hearing me talk of various albums, concerts etc. that I have been to.

When U2 and Roger Waters came through recently, I desperately wanted to take my kids. I saw U2 twice on the Joshua Tree tour in 87, and had told my kids of these shows & they know and like the music. This summer they were doing the whole album since it was a 30th anniversary thing.

And Waters was doing what looked to be quite an amazing show (based on YT videos). They, again mostly my daughter, are fascinated by albums like The Wall, etc. and we have had lengthy conversations about the themes that run through PF's music. I have told them about seeing both Floyd and Waters in 88 (I think) and about his Radio KAOS show in particular.

Anyway - both of these shows would have been incredible experiences for them, something I think they would remember for a lifetime. I am sad that I could not afford to give them that experience, although I'm not sure I would have, even if I had the means. I mean, think about it, just one of these shows would have cost me over $600 for the three of us. Then parking & merch on top of that and it'd be a $700+ night. That is simply absurd!!!

And unfortunately I don't know what the answer is. As long as there are people willing to pay these prices (scalpers aside, these were face value prices), I don't see it changing. I have a friend who has done quite well for himself, and yes, he took his wife and son to Dead and Co a couple of weeks ago - I bet he spent nearly a grand.

Good for him, but who are the artists catering to? Are they taking advantage of the aging population, knowing that their primary fan base is between the ages of maybe 40-65, and many are likely to have that sort of disposable income?

I dunno. I know the economics of it all has changed, but still, it just seems nuts.

EDIT - Want to clarify "taking advantage of an aging population"

I don't mean people are being taken advantage of in the traditional sense. I'm a free market kinda guy. So what I mean by "taking advantage" is that the artists see an opportunity in an aging fan base with disposable income, and possibly even see the potential for many of them to be taking their kids like I would do, and simply set prices at what the market will tolerate.

On some level it's understandable.
 
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Many here claim that live music is dying.

Maybe it is..maybe it isn't.

But I see where concert tickets are offered at reasonable prices to start with..and then moments later a scalper cleans out the site by buying them all up and then reselling them for an atrocious price.

Up here in Canada, for one example,there's a guy that lives in Quebec that is known for doing this.

They'd like to go after him but he uses offshore bots and other things to get around the Canadian legalities.

There are ticket brokers that claim they are innocent and can't control scalpers. But in one doc I watched it turns out they actively promote them.

Well... I'm not paying $800 dollars to go see somebody no matter how good they are.

You?

If the scalper is buying the tickets, the performer is getting paid. Reselling does not hurt the venue or artist, only the fans