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Screamo?
- Thread starter xxfaux_punkxx
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it makes sense to me. when elements of hardcore are added, its something core. nintendocore.. if it need be. it really clears some things up as to what side of the fence you're on.
metal bands like pantera shouldnt be in the same sentence as killswitch engage. calling one groove/thrash metal, and the other melodic metalcore really clears it up.
is there a breakdown in any pantera song? ever? blast beats? 2 step? no harmony guitars either.
there weren't screams, they were growls, and there aren't screams any more.
screaming is screaming. literally. screamo has tearing your throat out screaming.
hardcore, metal core, deathcore, has very very little actually screaming.
death/hard/core has "screaming", but it's all really vocal inflection and isn't loud at all. a true screamer is wailing into the mic.
I feel the same, also i think Post should not be a prefix, post punk= somehting that sounds nothing at all like punk with kids in sweaters playing it, post hardcore also sounds nothing like hardcore and has kids in sweaters playing it
a genre that is post- anything is when bands take elements of a genre but then move on.
nobody plays real hardcore any more, they've moved on..it's post-hardcore. same as post-rock, post-punk.
you really want to debate what is and is not screaming? you've got a LOT of time on your hands. screams are clearly an umbrella term. any extreme, harsh vocal is a scream.
be it the exploited, oh sleeper, thrice, btbam, cradle, or HH. its all a TYPE of scream. growl, death growl, bark, pig squeal, inhaled, exhaled, gurgle. whatever.
if hawthorne heights went straight emo after casey died, then yea, they are just an emo band now.
and i know screamers that project VERY well. i also have seen people that can scream in pitch.
much better
even though i havent seen that to be true, just let it be known that ive never worn a sweater.
haha, i like to debate.
i consider vocals the opposite way that you do. you see any harsh vocal as a scream, whereas i see a scream as a type of harsh vocal. to me, pretty much any form of "screaming" (your definition) is just a vocal technique and screaming is one of them.
we're using two different umbrella terms, that make us see each other as wrong.
You guys can bag on this genre as much as you want. It's kids getting involved in music. A Skylit Drive, Alesana, Hawthorne Heights, Silverstein, senses fail, and many similiar bands got me into bass. Now I play that stuff, classic rock, a little funk and slap, and I play with a drum machine alot making up my own stuff. Without these "bad" bands, I would not have picked up a bass.
EDIT: They also got me going to lives shows.
EDIT: They also got me going to lives shows.
How are ANY of those bands screamo (eh, I could see maybe silverstein)? Screamo is NOT simply emo with screaming. I mean if we're going to use screaming as the criterion for what screamo is, should we throw Led Zeppelin into the screamo category?
To me, when I think Screamo I think The Locust, Thursday, and Alesna. Hawthorne Heights, Senses Fail, My Chemical Romance, The Used, and Taking Back Sunday are all "third wave" emo.
That said, I think it's good stuff, but then again my street credibility is low with youtubers. I've been listening to punk for quite some time now, and frankly I get sick and tired of all the genre bashing and bickering. Hardcore, punk, screamo, emo, metalcore, oi, crust, thrash, crossover, ska, and etc are all very legitimate genres with very good bands belonging to every one (along with very horrible bands).
Often times people dismiss a band because of their fans, not the music. How many people have already complained about kids' hairstyles or choice of mall fashion? How many of those same people have actually listened to an entire album (or even an entire song) by any bands that they supposedly hate?
But like I said, what do I know? I'm just a punk musician with an open mind. That's not what punk/metal is about at all
.well ill second this. the first thing i advise people to learn when they ask me what to learn bass to is crappy pop punk bands. screamo.. pop punk, whatever your watered down, bass simple persuasion may be.
so.. when introduced screaming into emo.. its not screamo? its something entirely different. thats a little ridiculous. they put the 2 terms together for a reason. i wasnt necessarily there at the time, and i certainly dont know all the underground stuff, but again, im using bands that everyone knows for the sake of making this make sense to everyone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo
It's called screamo because back when it started it was a more aggressive form of emo. Screaming alone does not separate emo from screamo.
Emo bands can scream, but they don't necessarily have to.
Emo tends to be more dynamically driven. A good example of a quintessential emo song is "Seven" by Sunny Day Real Estate (). Screamo musicians often associate themselves more within the math rock, hardcore, and punk-jazz movements (bands influenced by Fugazi and The Process of Weeding Out EP by Black Flag) than they would with anything metal, but they're probably one of the most "prog" and "metal" subgenres of punk/hardcore.
I will say that Senses Fail is not pure emo, they're more of an emo/metalcore/post-hardcore hybrid than anything though. More about breakdowns and shouting than complexity and time signature.
