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Screamo?

#64
sonic assassin said:
so thrice is a progressive emo band turned metalcore? (turned experimental turned drum and bass...)

thats bogus.

post hardcore would be stepping out of the 4 chord, 4/4 time, 1-2 beat hardcore sound and writing more progressive music. im not entirely sure how you have to go from gorilla biscuits to fugazi to get to my chemical romance.
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MCR is not Emo, its sold as such

Bear vs Shark would be recent post hardcore, as well as At the drive in

its progressive in the sense that it uses more advanced forms of writing music, however it mixes the two. those would be the "HC" time scheme as you put it which makes sence although, i thinks it a bit confined. see Bear vs Shark. and it uses progressive elements. The songs can be anything from heavy downtuned guitars to avant gardey punk, ie some At the Drive In.

Also I know im gonna have to explain that earlier, I used what elements are usually thought of which those two bands and switched them to show what they are also capable of.

Ian Mackaye who STARTED this whole genre of Emo hated the term, it was called Emotive Hardcore, since when is Hardcore not emotional he said.

serisously guys its not that hard, stop going to hot topic T_T

OMG THAT GUYS RUNNING ACROSS STAGE, lets make a runcore

this genre is a joke, and for some reason i assume people on a music forum would have gotten it. :scowl:


i know i come off as an ass, but i just thought people knew this stuff and im tired of people not getting it
 
#65
Eh. I have to agree and disagree with MCR not being emo. Yes today's stuff isn't emo like it was back when it started, but that's kind of like saying Poison isn't rock because it's completely different from Buddy Holly. MCR's first two albums definitely had very "emo" characteristics (emo, the 3rd generation). Not a bad thing.

And of course Ian Mackaye would dislike the genre: it's been bashed in the media for seemingly no reason since the late 90s. I know if I was an influential punk musician I wouldn't want to associate myself with a movement that is portrayed as a bunch of spoiled suicidal teenage brats.

Also, when I think "post-hardcore" I think of bands like Thrice, Story of the Year, and Smile Empty Soul. But that could be a mislabeling on my behalf, I never really understood any of the "post-" genres.
 
#67
Hutzbordello said:
ill agree with almost everything you said

but i will fight anyone 200 rounds barefisted, to the death to have the right to say that MCR is not emo, they are pop
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MCR is undoubtedly pop, especially their most recent album. That said, I believe they have a bit more talent than other artists labeled pop (see: Metro Station). I'd label them as an pop-emo-punk, with more leanings towards the pop/punk category. You can definitely see/hear the Misfits influence along with a lot of the 2nd wave of emo influence, which makes them different from other more emo bands who take their influences more from bands such as Fugazi and Gorilla Biscuits.
 
#69
Additionally, I have to hand it to Senses Fail. When it suddenly became pop culture phenomena to label anything slightly dark as emo (in a negative way) and to make fun of everything associated with emo, most of the popular bands in the movement (TBS, HH, The Used, and MCR) all dropped the "emo" moniker in place of something with negative connotations like "post-hardcore", "melodic softcore", or just "rock". At least Senses Fail still claimed to be "emo" when it wasn't trendy anymore.
 
#70
sonic assassin said:
it makes sense to me. when elements of hardcore are added, its something core. nintendocore.. if it need be. it really clears some things up as to what side of the fence you're on.

metal bands like pantera shouldnt be in the same sentence as killswitch engage. calling one groove/thrash metal, and the other melodic metalcore really clears it up.

is there a breakdown in any pantera song? ever? blast beats? 2 step? no harmony guitars either.
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There is a breakdown at the end of Domination, but it was done before breakdowns were invented. and this love has some pretty heavy things like that, but they aren't "breakdowns" like the scenegrind kids do.
 
#71
Screamo makes me think of emo whining. Grind-core and Death Metal are aggressive styles that take a lot of endurance to play. The most complex is Technical Death Metal Which a lot of bass players just follow the guitar. (I personally don't like that) Listen to Furioso by Pavor. That bass player is a beast and plays just as good, or better than the guitarist.
 
#73
powellmacaque said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo

It's called screamo because back when it started it was a more aggressive form of emo. Screaming alone does not separate emo from screamo.
Emo bands can scream, but they don't necessarily have to.

Emo tends to be more dynamically driven. A good example of a quintessential emo song is "Seven" by Sunny Day Real Estate (
I do think all of the genre-ification can get a bit silly, especially when the same genre titles are rehashed multiple times with different generations of artists, but I also think there is some worth to all the sub-genres in that it helps people find similar bands to things they already like more easily.
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#76
XXL said:
I have a hard time equating Fugazi with any of these bands.
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well, that's because most of these bands being mentioned don't have much of anything to do with the "original" emo and screamo bands from the 80s and 90s.

here's a list of bands that I think of when people say "emo" or "screamo"

Rites of Spring EMO
Moss Icon EMO
The Promise Ring EMO
Cap'n Jazz EMO
Invalid Link Removed EMO
Sunny Day Real Estate EMO
Indian Summer SCREAMO
Jawbreaker EMO/SCREAMO
Jets to Brazil EMO
The Get Up Kids EMO
Bear Vs. Shark EMO/SCREAMO
Thursday SCREAMO
 
#79
basstotheface said:
what are half those genres? oi, thrash, crust, crossover? not trying to be mean or anything i just dont know what that means.
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crossover - bands that "crossed over" from hardcore punk into metal. Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front, Danzig, etc.

Crust - I'm really not too big into this genre, but it's a very, well, crusty type of punk. The bands in Crack Rock Steady 7 (Leftover Crack, Morning Glory, InDK, Choking Victim, etc) kind of play ska/crust, but that's the extent of my knowledge.

Oi - Mostly a British style of punk related to the working class. One of the biggest examples of this genre is the band The Business. This music is classified as being pretty slow and is actually similar to soccer (football) chants in the UK. I guess a similar example in the US would be a band like Dropkick Murphys (but they're Street Punk and Celtic Punk since it's in the US).

Thrash - Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, Trivium, etc.
 
#80
baalroo said:
Yeah, Sunny Day Real Estate (and that song in particular) is generally considered the quintessential "second wave" of EMO.

here's the first wave of Emo btw:
Rites of Spring - For Want Of








I would say Thursday is a VERY apt example of the "second wave" of SCREAMO. Here's the first:

Indian Summer - Truman

I do think all of the genre-ification can get a bit silly, especially when the same genre titles are rehashed multiple times with different generations of artists, but I also think there is some worth to all the sub-genres in that it helps people find similar bands to things they already like more easily.
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I do think it is quite silly, but at least it hasn't gotten to the point metal has (what the hell is post-progressive-scandinavian-folk-death-metal?)

Thanks for showing the earlier waves. I haven't gotten into those waves enough to post a "quintessential" example of those waves. I'm kind of working backwards since the third wave of emo and second wave of screamo have gotten me into these types of music.


And I love how the people on this thread just dismiss the genres as whiney. This is transitional emo, bridging the second and third waves. I don't hear ANY whining whatsoever:
 

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