Self Defense

[Diggler]

What If's don't matter. The driver has shown that he was willing to commit a crime, flee the scene, and run down someone to get away from the scene. He has demonstrated a danger to the community, and the police have the authority to 'stop' him.

You may be required to flee before using deadly force (non-LEO's), but you DO have the ability to use deadly force if the perpetrator is a danger to the community at large. For example, if you come upon someone slashing away at a family and he attempts to flee, you CAN shoot at him.

I don't see what's so surprising about this. It is standard procedure for police officers to fire upon the operator of a motor vehicle who is attempting to run them (or others) down. It happens all the time. The deceased was in the wrong place at the wrong time... going all the way back to choosing the wrong 'friends' to eat with, choosing to skip out with the driver, and choosing to get in the car with him and attempt to flee the scene. Bad decisions.

 

[Diggler]

a person that could have gotten out of the way of danger.

a person who didn't have to be in the way of danger at all.

No... not just a person... a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. If someone was robbing a bank, and a cop showed up while they were trying to get away and the cop was fired upon, is it the cop's fault for attempting to stop their attempted escape? It is his job to put himself in the way of danger.

THAT'S WHAT COPS DO.

Moving vehicles are considered deadly weapons, just as firearms are.

ETA: The one I feel really bad for is the police officer, who will have to live with this for the rest of his life. It's too bad the passenger got killed rather than the driver. Hopefully they will nail the driver with second degree murder. If he would have run down the cop, it would have been first degree murder; so the officer was acting in the capacity of stopping an attempted first degree murder in progress.

 

[NJL]

No... not just a person... a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. If someone was robbing a bank, and a cop showed up while they were trying to get away and the cop was fired upon, is it the cop's fault for attempting to stop their attempted escape? It is his job to put himself in the way of danger.

THAT'S WHAT COPS DO.

Moving vehicles are considered deadly weapons, just as firearms are.

ETA: The one I feel really bad for is the police officer, who will have to live with this for the rest of his life. It's too bad the passenger got killed rather than the driver. Hopefully they will nail the driver with second degree murder.

Dig, most people won't understand this because they are too much of a wuss to put themselves in harm's way...

I think this is where some of the people in this thread are coming from... It takes a certain type and man or women to be able to do this type of job... this is just IMHO.

 

[morf]

It seems to me the police officer was off duty at the time of the accident. If so, he had no business getting in front of that car. It doesn't excuse the kid, but kids are kids until they become adults, and many mistakes are made, by ALL of us, when we're kids.

Point is, the man wanted to play cowboy, he killed a kid in the process, as for me being a wuss for thinking that, eh, I laugh in your face sir.

 

[NJL]

It seems to me the police officer was off duty at the time of the accident. If so, he had no business getting in front of that car. It doesn't excuse the kid, but kids are kids until they become adults, and many mistakes are made, by ALL of us, when we're kids.

Point is, the man wanted to play cowboy, he killed a kid in the process, as for me being a wuss for thinking that, eh, I laugh in your face sir.

#1 - learn how to read
#2 - America has different laws and standards than France

 

[Davidoc]

Hopefully they will nail the driver with second degree murder. If he would have run down the cop, it would have been first degree murder; so the officer was acting in the capacity of stopping an attempted first degree murder in progress.

Ok, needlessly ruin a 3rd life in the process.

 

[kserg]

Another thought: let's say the officer hit and disabled the driver, and he really had no time to get out of the way. Wouldn't he still be struck by the moving vehicle, which now has no way to stop?

Well see... the article does say that:

and then tried to hit an off-duty police officer

If this is true then it makes perfect sense because driver would have lots of trouble aiming for person with bullets flying back at him…

a person that could have gotten out of the way of danger.

a person who didn't have to be in the way of danger at all.

Yeah but if the article is true then it makes it harder to get out of the way when the driver is aiming for you...

 

[morf]

1) Seems I am able to read far better than you.
2) We're not discussing politics but moral judgements.
3) Such comments dont surprise me from a man who learns Israeli self defense and is into rottweilers. You're obviously of violent nature, and proud of it.

 

[cheezewiz]

All I can say to all the posters on this thread is..

WERE YOU THERE?

If not, you really have no idea what happened. (And neither do I)

 

[NJL]

3) Such comments dont surprise me from a man who learns Israeli self defense and is into rottweilers. You're obviously of violent nature, and proud of it.

You're a ####### bigot and don't seem to have any intelligence at all. You must hate Israeli's/Jews... don't even get me started on the Rottweilers, you ignorant piece of trash.

 

[Diggler]

Ok, needlessly ruin a 3rd life in the process.

Actually the driver is the one who ruined the other two lives... the passenger and the officer. He caused the whole thing.

If someone rapes and kills your mom, we wouldn't want to lock him away... why ruin a second life in the process?

 

[morf]

I'd like to see you say that to my face kid.

 

[kserg]

It seems to me the police officer was off duty at the time of the accident.

He was on-duty at the time... he was working as a security at the place.

It doesn't excuse the kid, but kids are kids until they become adults, and many mistakes are made, by ALL of us, when we're kids.

When do kids stop being kids? Since when is 19 consider to be "kid"? I remember me at 19... Don’t know about you but I didn’t try to kill anyone.

It also seem to me that you are excusing the "kids" inside the car for their actions and at same time saying "it doesn’t excuse the kid"

Point is, the man wanted to play cowboy, he killed a kid in the process, as for me being a wuss for thinking that, eh, I laugh in your face sir.

Oh and all those idiots in car were playing what? Driving miss daisy? Seems to me that the people inside that car were the ones trying to be something they are not. Cop was doing his job.

 

[NJL]

I'd like to see you say that to my face kid.

Wow, now who's violent?





And BTW, I'm a lot older than you, cheeky monkey.

 

[morf]

The violent one is the insulting one. I just merely responded to your pathetic attempt at getting me angry.

 

[morf]

The french resistance in WWII was a myth. They are the biggest bunch of limp wristed capitualtors. And yes, France is one of the most anti-semetic nations on earth. Problem is, they just don't have the guts to stand up and admit it. :scowl:

You're one to talk about anti-semetic! roflmao.

 

[kserg]

1) Seems I am able to read far better than you.

Maybe so but it seems that you are trying to argue on the topic you didn’t even read!

3) Such comments dont surprise me from a man who learns Israeli self defense and is into rottweilers. You're obviously of violent nature, and proud of it.

On that note... I am out...

 

[NJL]

You're one to talk about anti-semetic! roflmao.

No, actually you're the one who insinuated that Israeli's/Jew's are violent. Get your issues straight.

 

[buzzbass]

You're one to talk about anti-semetic! roflmao.

Very nice, care to elaborate ? Racism in any flavor is a huge flash point for me. This should be good.

 

[cheezewiz]

Morf. LOL.