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Self Taught: Yea or Nay

Self Taught

  • Can't Wait!

    Votes: 116 73.0%
  • I'll Pass

    Votes: 43 27.0%

  • Total voters
    159
I'm going to take a stab at this by way of analogy:
For the last ten years, my day job has been as a trial attorney. It's a real sink or swim world where nobody has any incentive to teach you anything, and you end up with a lot of mid-career trial attorneys who have gotten good at some things, stayed bad at other things, and basically don't have any resources to find any specific methods to improve what they do in court.

Then I got my employer to send me to a week-long workshop that was basically geared toward addressing this exact problem. There was a book that broke down a specific philosophy and method to trial practice. Judges and super-high-end trial attorneys teaching practical classes, and we prepared mock cases for trial in front of a jury, and then got to see the jury deliberations and ask the jurors questions afterward.

It was very beneficial formal educational experience because they broke down a series of complex skills, with a method to improve on a granular level each of those skills, coupled with some overarching philosophies, and then made you do all this stuff in front of real judges, super-lawyers, and lay-people - and then get all the real-world feedback. That was all stuff you would never be able to learn just by doing it, even though it is expected that everyone just learns by doing in that profession generally.

So, I think it is the same with music, you can get better by doing it, but you may get to a level where you are really good at what you are good at, and have plateaued at everything else, including some basic skills that are preventing you from expanding into other areas. Some good, relevant, focused instruction can help give you some skills and some methods to apply in order to get you out of rut, or help you make a quantum leap forward in your skills.
 
I'm mostly self-taught. I had some formal piano and voice training as a kid, which helped a lot I think. But with bass I've had no real training. I'm pretty good, I can play, I get good-quality work. But if I had to do it again I'd study with somebody, because that probably would have saved me years and prevented bad habits.
 
Yes, learning the melody is essential. The harmony, (chord changes) support the melody anyway, so it’s much easier to remember the song if you know the melody.
I’ve been a working Pianist for a very long time, so I guess my approach to learning bass has been influenced by that. Regardless of you’re chosen instrument, some piano skills are essential, imo.

They wouldn't hurt but are hardly essential.
 
I'm going to take a stab at this by way of analogy:
For the last ten years, my day job has been as a trial attorney. It's a real sink or swim world where nobody has any incentive to teach you anything, and you end up with a lot of mid-career trial attorneys who have gotten good at some things, stayed bad at other things, and basically don't have any resources to find any specific methods to improve what they do in court.

Then I got my employer to send me to a week-long workshop that was basically geared toward addressing this exact problem. There was a book that broke down a specific philosophy and method to trial practice. Judges and super-high-end trial attorneys teaching practical classes, and we prepared mock cases for trial in front of a jury, and then got to see the jury deliberations and ask the jurors questions afterward.

It was very beneficial formal educational experience because they broke down a series of complex skills, with a method to improve on a granular level each of those skills, coupled with some overarching philosophies, and then made you do all this stuff in front of real judges, super-lawyers, and lay-people - and then get all the real-world feedback. That was all stuff you would never be able to learn just by doing it, even though it is expected that everyone just learns by doing in that profession generally.

So, I think it is the same with music, you can get better by doing it, but you may get to a level where you are really good at what you are good at, and have plateaued at everything else, including some basic skills that are preventing you from expanding into other areas. Some good, relevant, focused instruction can help give you some skills and some methods to apply in order to get you out of rut, or help you make a quantum leap forward in your skills.

A self taught trial attorney? Sweet.
;)
 
i can't vote as neither of the options are my reaction because being self-taught doesn't tell me anything about a person's talent, work ethic or musical tastes. some of the best and worst player i've played with were self-taught, and many fell right in the middle.

i don't recall that anyone has ever mentioned that they were self-taught before we played together.

I'm asking for that tenth of a second instinctual response, not anyone's actual thoughts on it. By the time you've had time to have any of those thoughts you're past the part I'm asking about.

i get no feeling about it at all because i know deep inside it means nothing.

my husband is a self-taught guitar player and insanely talented - super fast with amazing economy of motion and plenty of dynamics, too. but my old friend lawrence is also self-taught, and he's a great guy but a truly awful guitar player.
 
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It means nothing to me now...after all these years.
Still, I can almost immediately tell who is trained and who is self taught.

Watch them play, chat technicalities, theory while arranging/rearranging a piece. You'll know instinctively who's who.
But in the end, only talent and hard work at improving the craft matters to me.
If the result of their efforts is good music...I'm happy.