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Should I bail?

So, been playing with two less experienced and younger guitar players for a few months now. We've been writing songs, adapting covers, etc. The two younger guitar players and in particular the band leader have a little of what I'd call 'delusions of grandeur'. We have good ideas and the stuff sounds good and fun, but nothing to get carried away over, especially since none of us are particularly great players.

A couple weeks ago the BL said he wanted to get into a studio to record three songs. I said the best weekend for me was the veteran's day long weekend, the second guitarist agreed. BL said that was 'too late in the year'? and went ahead and booked this past weekend without even confirming with us. The two of us couldn't go, so he went in the studio himself and recorded the songs, which he clearly sees as his own rather than a collaborative effort. Evidenced by the fact he did not play the bass lines I have been playing, and did other editing to the second guitar part.

He's still texting us about next practice and stuff, but I for one am pretty peeved that he ignored my very reasonable scheduling request, then rewrote all my parts. On top of that, he has no experience playing bass and the parts he did record sound like crap: no string muting, bad tone, etc. At no point has he given any explanation of why there is a rush to record these, but I suspect it's a need to get stuff uploaded and shareable on social media to impress people.

I don't really have time to spare on something where I'm just going to get overrun and treated like a spare part, particularly when I'm probably the most experienced member of the group. On the other hand: it's really the only band opportunity I've got on the horizon or that I've had in awhile, particularly that plays a genre I'm into and might actually continue to play shows. But I don't respond to bullying or being ignored. Am I right to regard the red flag and just bail before sinking any more of my short time into this?
 
I'd consider sending a group email that lays out your issues, and see if the other guitarist chips in. Make it as friendly and non-confrontational as possible. Then it's up to him. If you don't like his answer, why put up with the frustration and lack of respect?
 
So, been playing with two less experienced and younger guitar players for a few months now. We've been writing songs, adapting covers, etc. The two younger guitar players and in particular the band leader have a little of what I'd call 'delusions of grandeur'. We have good ideas and the stuff sounds good and fun, but nothing to get carried away over, especially since none of us are particularly great players.

A couple weeks ago the BL said he wanted to get into a studio to record three songs. I said the best weekend for me was the veteran's day long weekend, the second guitarist agreed. BL said that was 'too late in the year'? and went ahead and booked this past weekend without even confirming with us. The two of us couldn't go, so he went in the studio himself and recorded the songs, which he clearly sees as his own rather than a collaborative effort. Evidenced by the fact he did not play the bass lines I have been playing, and did other editing to the second guitar part.

He's still texting us about next practice and stuff, but I for one am pretty peeved that he ignored my very reasonable scheduling request, then rewrote all my parts. On top of that, he has no experience playing bass and the parts he did record sound like crap: no string muting, bad tone, etc. At no point has he given any explanation of why there is a rush to record these, but I suspect it's a need to get stuff uploaded and shareable on social media to impress people.

I don't really have time to spare on something where I'm just going to get overrun and treated like a spare part, particularly when I'm probably the most experienced member of the group. On the other hand: it's really the only band opportunity I've got on the horizon or that I've had in awhile, particularly that plays a genre I'm into and might actually continue to play shows. But I don't respond to bullying or being ignored. Am I right to regard the red flag and just bail before sinking any more of my short time into this?
There are SEVERAL red flags here, or would be for me:
1. Was the songwriting a collaborative effort, or did the BL have the song and you just wrote/played a bass part?
2. Was songwriting credit discussed?
3. You and the other guy are obviously unimportant to the BL and he's going to do things the way he wants to do them. Sounds like its his project and you guys can either accept his call on everything or bail.
4. The music industry is tough right now. Are these songs good enough to do anything?
5. Are there any upcoming gigs?
6. Will there ever be any money to be made in this project?
7. Who paid for the recording session?
 
I sense you feel some ownership in the songs. Is this guy a friend or bandmate? Is he worth the attempt at fixing things?

You said he's inexperienced, might be time for a good lesson. It involves either the threat of walking or just walking. He should be made to understand the why of it.

If he's worth the attempt, explain your side (you felt it was a collaborative effort, personal and professional respect, his bass lines sound like crap, etc) and give him the opportunity to realize what he did. If he truly understands he shouldn't hesitate to apologize and give assurance that it won't happen again. If he's a Richard he'll go on about how he's the captain, my way or the highway and you'll know for sure whether to walk or not.
 
I'd consider sending a group email that lays out your issues, and see if the other guitarist chips in. Make it as friendly and non-confrontational as possible. Then it's up to him. If you don't like his answer, why put up with the frustration and lack of respect?

This is the way to go, IMHO. I would have been upset as well, I don't think he's very appreciative of your contributions. Tell them how you feel about it, and then see what the answer is. He will do this again if no one calls him to the carpet about it.
 
I bet the band thinks more of itself than others do. I bet ultimately the band will be just a fun diversion and not really amount to much. One approach is to only let it stress you if it really matters. I bet the delusions of grandeur will self-correct over time. The question is whether you can put up with the stuff between now and then.
 
You have nothing to lose by having a discussion. So tell the others that you would like to have a band meeting to discuss how songwriting and recording will work. You need an agreement on how songwriting credits will be given, who will pay for studio time, who will be the producer on the recordings, and how any income will be handled. If they don't want to discuss it, or to come up with agreements on these issues then bail out now and consider it a learning experience for yourself.
You don't need anyone else to put out original music these days, find 1 other songwriting partner or do it all yourself. If the music is good and you market it right you'll soon find others to play with you. If you're really serious you might consider moving to another town that has a scene in your genre.
 
from my experience in a band with a control freak... i would say see you later!!!
people suck... especially people who don't value others input.
I joined a band in 2003 and things were going very well until i started showing an interest in bring something other than playing bass to "his" songs... 20 years later and every single person that has played in a project with said fella has said the same thing.. how'd you deal with him.. he is a control freak..
I said See ya later... I wasn't a valued member
 
There are SEVERAL red flags here, or would be for me:
1. Was the songwriting a collaborative effort, or did the BL have the song and you just wrote/played a bass part?
2. Was songwriting credit discussed?
3. You and the other guy are obviously unimportant to the BL and he's going to do things the way he wants to do them. Sounds like its his project and you guys can either accept his call on everything or bail.
4. The music industry is tough right now. Are these songs good enough to do anything?
5. Are there any upcoming gigs?
6. Will there ever be any money to be made in this project?
7. Who paid for the recording session?

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I'd consider sending a group email that lays out your issues, and see if the other guitarist chips in. Make it as friendly and non-confrontational as possible. Then it's up to him. If you don't like his answer, why put up with the frustration and lack of respect?
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

If you were already looking to bail, look no furhter. If it's worth attempting to salvage and progress toward a more fulfilling situation going foward, this is the way.
 
I need more definition here really. What are you? Is this A) a group of guys who just like playing the same type of music together (if so, shut up and play ... no thinking... just play and have a good time).... or B) is this a "Band" (meaning a collaboration of musicians who each write and contribute their part) ..... C) are you a hired bassist who is to follow the BL instruction (I think we need to agree upon a price here)?
 
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