Should people go to prison for filing false rape cases?

[vin*tone]

And if rape itself were such an issue there would be anecdotal tales abounding.

But there aren't. I think we need to rethink making such a big deal out of this.

Wait - time out....

Are you seriously saying that rape is no big deal??

I can't believe I'm reading this here.

 

[FretNoMore]

It's the Internet - you'll find every existing opinion out there. Even some that are really out there.

 

[GrumpiusMaximus]

Bawana, do you believe that women's bodies have a way of shutting down pregnancy after an incident of rape?

You sure as Hell sound like somebody that might be that misinformed.

Having met and indeed dated victims of rape, I can quite clearly say that to those affected it is a violent, damaging crime. I have friends that were raped ten years ago as teenagers that still have nightmares and personal issues as a result. Some people cope better, but not all.

Yes, false accusations of rape can be a problem but to try and prove (in a court of law) a negative is very difficult.

 

[BawanaRik]

Let me just throw this on the pile.


Penn & Teller on worrying about child abduction and rape
Over Reacting:

The boys at Feakinimics have done similar analysis of kids danger.

Guns ok. Swimming pools not ok.

And you might want to read up on doctors.

 

[Munjibunga]

If it was verifyably false, then yes, I think falsely accusing someone of a serious crime should be punished.

The problem with these cases is to prove anything though, since it's often a he said she said kind of situation. And, it could also get ugly with counter-accusations and more pain for someone who has actually been raped but where it can't be proven. So, not easy to decide what would be the right thing here.

I'll go with this. Jail time if it is proven that a rape did not occur.

 

[BawanaRik]

If you look at the stats of reported rapes, about 10% are male victims. The vast majority of rapists are male, against both male and female victims.

What you read were agengaiated stats. Of no use other that proving things that aren't real.

 

[BawanaRik]

Bawana, do you believe that women's bodies have a way of shutting down pregnancy after an incident of rape?

You sure as Hell sound like somebody that might be that misinformed.

Having met and indeed dated victims of rape, I can quite clearly say that to those affected it is a violent, damaging crime. I have friends that were raped ten years ago as teenagers that still have nightmares and personal issues as a result. Some people cope better, but not all.

Yes, false accusations of rape can be a problem but to try and prove (in a court of law) a negative is very difficult.

I'm sorry but I can't recall of find anything about my saying that a girls body shuts down after rape. Could you provide a link or other device allowing me to see this.

Alleged rape victims do not sound like the most positive of people. You might be happier of you changed your focus.

But the focus of this thread is the poor innocent men who have spent decades behind bars due to a girls falsely accusing them of rape. I Imagine they just might have night mares and such themselves.

I do not believe that I am misinformed. I believe I am merely presently unpleasant facts that many wish was just left swept under the carpet.

Men deserve the same right of safely walk down the street as anyone else. All I'm suggesting is a bit of equality.

The backlash indicates just how far we need to go to archive said equality.

 

[mellowinman]

I'm sorry but I can't recall of find anything about my saying that a girls body shuts down after rape. Could you provide a link or other device allowing me to see this.

Alleged rape victims do not sound like the most positive of people. You might be happier of you changed your focus.

But the focus of this thread is the poor innocent men who have spent decades behind bars due to a girls falsely accusing them of rape. I Imagine they just might have night mares and such themselves.

I do not believe that I am misinformed. I believe I am merely presently unpleasant facts that many wish was just left swept under the carpet.

Men deserve the same right of safely walk down the street as anyone else. All I'm suggesting is a bit of equality.

The backlash indicates just how far we need to go to archive said equality.

I do not believe you are misinformed, either.

 

[nukes_da_bass]

I have read most of the posts in this thread and I have observed one glaring flaw of assumption, that ALL rape is male on female. There is male-male rape and rarely but it happens...female on male rape. When one states rape one must be clear to define the universal nature of said violent crime.
So by focusing so exclusively on womens rights around this issue, folks are stepping on potential liberty and or punishments which apply to a significant percentage of the population.

 

[pie_man_25]

It's the Internet - you'll find every existing opinion out there. Even some that are really out there.

I owe you one internet.

 

[GrumpiusMaximus]

I'm sorry but I can't recall of find anything about my saying that a girls body shuts down after rape. Could you provide a link or other device allowing me to see this.

Alleged rape victims do not sound like the most positive of people. You might be happier of you changed your focus.

But the focus of this thread is the poor innocent men who have spent decades behind bars due to a girls falsely accusing them of rape. I Imagine they just might have night mares and such themselves.

I do not believe that I am misinformed. I believe I am merely presently unpleasant facts that many wish was just left swept under the carpet.

Men deserve the same right of safely walk down the street as anyone else. All I'm suggesting is a bit of equality.

The backlash indicates just how far we need to go to archive said equality.

No, I was simply presenting a straw man and seeing where it went.

I'm afraid somebody telling me that I ought to find new friends is more than patronising. I'm quite capable of making those decisions for myself, thanks. There's nothing 'alleged' about their incidents, either. They are rape victims, nothing 'alleged' about it.

I'm not surprised that the reporting and conviction rates are as low as they are. Not only are there unhelpful attitudes from some sections of the law enforcement community, there is also a huge stigma being put on the victims of rape. In some cases, law enforcement decide not to investigate, in other cases, the victims are intimidated by the perpetrators. Gathering evidence for rape is also very difficult unless the victims immediately report it.

Yes, the accused should have rights in these cases. Anonymity prior to successful prosecution being one of them. False allegations of any crime are already punishable in many jurisdictions. The difficult crux of this issue is that many victims of rape struggle to gain a conviction or even a charge because of the difficulty of obtaining evidence. Anything that threatens the ability for victims to come forward - such as a threat of legal action if somebody decides that their allegation is false - should be analysed very carefully before becoming a matter of course.

If any victim feels they cannot speak out after an incident of rape, then I'm afraid there's something deeply wrong. Male, female, whomever. I don't care about the gender.

 

[BawanaRik]

No, I was simply presenting a straw man and seeing where it went.

I'm afraid somebody telling me that I ought to find new friends is more than patronising. I'm quite capable of making those decisions for myself, thanks. There's nothing 'alleged' about their incidents, either. They are rape victims, nothing 'alleged' about it.

I'm not surprised that the reporting and conviction rates are as low as they are. Not only are there unhelpful attitudes from some sections of the law enforcement community, there is also a huge stigma being put on the victims of rape. In some cases, law enforcement decide not to investigate, in other cases, the victims are intimidated by the perpetrators. Gathering evidence for rape is also very difficult unless the victims immediately report it.

Yes, the accused should have rights in these cases. Anonymity prior to successful prosecution being one of them. False allegations of any crime are already punishable in many jurisdictions. The difficult crux of this issue is that many victims of rape struggle to gain a conviction or even a charge because of the difficulty of obtaining evidence. Anything that threatens the ability for victims to come forward - such as a threat of legal action if somebody decides that their allegation is false - should be analysed very carefully before becoming a matter of course.

If any victim feels they cannot speak out after an incident of rape, then I'm afraid there's something deeply wrong. Male, female, whomever. I don't care about the gender.

It's appears we have different opinions on the subject.

All the best.

 

[Unrepresented]

It's appears we have different opinions on the subject.

All the best.

Yes. He doesn't appear to have searing hatred and deep seated trust issues of women.

 

[DeathFromBelow]

It's appears we have different opinions on the subject.

All the best.

The moment you started claiming that rape is "no big deal" and that rape victims should "lighten up", you automatically rendered all further "opinions" of Yours on the subject being discussed totally invalid.

 

[Unrepresented]

The moment you started claiming that rape is "no big deal" and that rape victims should "lighten up", you automatically rendered all further "opinions" of Yours on the subject being discussed totally invalid.

I believe it may be time to start compiling entires for a BawanaRiktionary.

 

[MatticusMania]

Okay, you all know that I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence, but I'm actually going to invoke it here just once to make a point. Now, I am in no way condoning false accusations of rape or saying that it never happens, but if this is such a widespread social problem, how come a bunch of us aren't coming on here giving our stories of how we know so-and-so who was convicted of a rape that he never committed?

I'm hard pressed to think of someone I know in my personal life who has been convicted of rape, let alone falsely convicted of rape.

I know infinite times more victims.

Yes. I know several women who have been raped or sexually abused.

I know of one person who was accused of rape, in a situation where two people got drunk and had sex. The girl accused the guy of rape and no one believed her. No charges were filed.

And if rape itself were such an issue there would be anecdotal tales abounding.

Are you effing serious? Rape is not an issue?
What was that you said about the biggest insult to women on this board? Ive never seen the female race so utterly insulted in my life.

I wonder what the volunteer at the Mens Shelter would say?

That's right. There are none.

How odd that is.

Your ignorance is showing. Too bad thats not a bannable offense.

 

[DeathFromBelow]

I believe it may be time to start compiling entires for a BawanaRiktionary.

Filed under "fiction".

 

[aborgman]

But you don't seem to have an issue with an innocent man spending 30 years in the slammer for a crime that never happened.

Sure I do.

He's not the only one.

It's my understanding that the Innocence Project is batting 1000 when it comes to freeing innocent men with DNA evidence.

Yes.... and innocent women.

I think it's time to admit the process is flawed and free all the men.

The majority of those freed by the innocence project were convicted of murder, not rape/sexual assault.

Your suggestion is that our entire judicial system is flawed so we just release all the men and women convicted of crimes?

 

[CrashClint]

How is it different from falsely reporting somebody for any other crime? I don't see the problem here. You can be accused of any multitude of crimes; but you are innocent until proven guilty in every case. Rape accusations don't carry a special 'instantly guilty' weighting out with teen dramas where girls try a teacher in trouble for giving them a poor mark or something... which is the sort of sad fantasy land that this thread seems to be dwelling in for some odd reason (perhaps some guys are worried about past actions or something...there is something to consider).

When I lived in Louisiana this happened to a small businessman. His named was plastered on every news station and newspaper in the area for several days. When it came out he was innocent a week later and the girl had lied the media gave it about 10 seconds of airtime. He suffered irreparable damage to his reputation and his business suffered as well. The girl didn't spend a day in jail. Yeah, he could have sued her but he would have gotten nothing, she was 20 years old and owned nothing.

 

[BawanaRik]

When I lived in Louisiana this happened to a small businessman. His named was plastered on every news station and newspaper in the area for several days. When it came out he was innocent a week later and the girl had lied the media gave it about 10 seconds of airtime. He suffered irreparable damage to his reputation and his business suffered as well. The girl didn't spend a day in jail. Yeah, he could have sued her but he would have gotten nothing, she was 20 years old and owned nothing.

This is reality. Local to me a girl started a campaign stating a couple didn't tip her after service at a restaurant. She also accused them of leaving a rude comment.

Turned out see lied.

But after a media blitz promoting the lie. The truth got nothing.

I see reasonable doubt in every accusation from any less than sold individual. At the very least.