Should people go to prison for filing false rape cases?

[MatticusMania]

This is reality. Local to me a girl started a campaign stating a couple didn't tip her after service at a restaurant. She also accused them of leaving a rude comment.

Turned out see lied.

But after a media blitz promoting the lie. The truth got nothing.

I see reasonable doubt in every accusation from any less than sold individual. At the very least.

Actually, the truth about that situation spread like wildfire and many people now see that the girl is a liar.

Here is what comes up when one googles "girl lied tip remark"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Gir...SOsILICw&ved=0CCkQBSgA#q=Girl+lied+tip+remark

 

[kohntarkosz]

When I lived in Louisiana this happened to a small businessman. His named was plastered on every news station and newspaper in the area for several days. When it came out he was innocent a week later and the girl had lied the media gave it about 10 seconds of airtime. He suffered irreparable damage to his reputation and his business suffered as well. The girl didn't spend a day in jail. Yeah, he could have sued her but he would have gotten nothing, she was 20 years old and owned nothing.

That is a problem of 'trial by media' not a problem with false rape claims. It is terrible that the small businessman (under five foot?) suffered the consequences here, but the girl didn't ruin his life nearly as much as the media giving the story blanket coverage.

After reading this large heap of logical-fallacy-stew devoid of any arguments, I do have a request:
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Lets ignore the gross trivialisation of rape occurring here for a minute...

Can you point out where this is happening in this thread? Give me an example or a quote.

How tiresome. Can we thank Richard Dawkins for popularising the phrase "logical fallacy"? It used to actually mean something serious, now it seems to translate mostly as "I'm a lazy pseudo-intellectual neckbeard who doesn't like what you wrote but cannot be bothered, or lack the intelligence, to voice a serious counter argument". Shame really.

Ooops... Ad Hominem!

If you need examples of rape trivialization, look at any post BawanaRik has made in this thread.

Ooooh... here comes the quotes!

And if rape itself were such an issue there would be anecdotal tales abounding.

But there aren't. I think we need to rethink making such a big deal out of this.

"I never hear personal accounts of rape attacks, so therefore they don't exist. It isn't the case that I never make any effort to read any".

How do you feel about keeping the innocent man, one of many, in jail for 15 years?

How much resitution did the false rape accuser make.

But what really I find interesting is that a false rape charge, billions of times worse that any alleged rape, get off lighter that the less serious "crime".

I cannot even decipher this crap.

Since rape is infinitely less of a crime that a false rape charge how about we apply the same logic to that.

I don't even.

What you read were agengaiated stats. Of no use other that proving things that aren't real.

If stats suggest that a disproportionate number of rapes have a female victim and a male attacker then they are not to be trusted, because stats are "agengaiated", even though the government that compiles the stats is broken down thus;

• Women hold 17 (17.0%) of the 100 Senate seats, the same as the 111th Senate.
• Women hold 73 (16.8%) of the 435 seats in the House of Representatives, up from 72 in the 110th House of Representatives.

Somebody tell the majority male government to stop faking stats already!

I have read most of the posts in this thread and I have observed one glaring flaw of assumption, that ALL rape is male on female. There is male-male rape and rarely but it happens...female on male rape. When one states rape one must be clear to define the universal nature of said violent crime.
So by focusing so exclusively on womens rights around this issue, folks are stepping on potential liberty and or punishments which apply to a significant percentage of the population.

Welp, its post #190 in this thread, but it brings that unique insight.... well...

To quote ME, far earlier in this thread;

The longer that people discuss rape on the internet, the more likely that a few things will happen. Lets ignore the gross trivialisation of rape occurring here for a minute... these 'certainties' are;

1) Some 'cutting through the bull****' type dudebro will post "Bbbut, guys can get raped too! Nobody talks about that! I have no stats to back up my claim, but I reckon as many guys as gals get raped".

Ding ding ding ding!!!

Which is recapitulated AGAIN by that most serious of dudebros who previously declared my lampooning of THE EXACT SAME DAMN POINT as "logical-fallacy-stew devoid of any arguments".

If you account for the prison and military populations some statistics regarding rape will show men as the majority of rape victims.

Some of you guys make me real nervous... and I'm male.

 

[BawanaRik]

Yes. He doesn't appear to have searing hatred and deep seated trust issues of women.

I have to wonder how an attempt keeping innocent men out of jail warrants a remark like this.

I feel it does not.

You are of course entitled to your opinions. Best of luck with them

 

[BawanaRik]

When I check this thread I seem to hear Strange Fruit playing the background. It may be because I have YouTube playing it.

But really I can't see putting innocent men in jail. Yes, I would even rather see some guilty walk free than have an individual like Cornelius Dupree and who knows how many others like him having their lives taken by the violence known as a lie.

Look into your hearts and try to find the root of what it is that would cause anyone to think otherwise and remove it. Carry anything that evil is no good for anyone.

This attitude is the one that lead to rampant vigilante justice.

Here is where you are headed, in my opinion. Don't go there. Please.

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[mellowinman]

I have to wonder how an attempt keeping innocent men out of jail warrants a remark like this.

I feel it does not.

You are of course entitled to your opinions. Best of luck with them

It's kind of you vs the world on that one.

Numerous pm's to a number of us, a large number of posts on that them all attest to it.

I call you out for posting and pm'ing a good bit of misogyny.

 

[bkbirge]

People should have consequences for filing false charges, some do. It's that whole "don't bear false witness" thing that our western culture supposedly uses as a cornerstone for civilization. But reality of course laughs at our notions of fairness and justice.

 

[Unrepresented]

I have to wonder how an attempt keeping innocent men out of jail warrants a remark like this.

I feel it does not.

You are of course entitled to your opinions. Best of luck with them

Wanting to defend innocents is one thing. Suggesting that all men who have not simply been accused of rape, nor only put on trial, but convicted in a court of law by a jury of their peers should be universally released warrants the response I made.

 

[BawanaRik]

It's kind of you vs the world on that one.

Numerous pm's to a number of us, a large number of posts on that them all attest to it.

I call you out for posting and pm'ing a good bit of misogyny.

I respectfully disagree.

I feel that a man spending 30 years in jail for a crime that never happened is actually an example of misandrony. An unfortunate but hardly unexpected outcome of the philogynistic society we live in.

If I can save one man from the fate that befall Mr Dupree I will have made the world a better fairer place.

What more can I aspire to?

 

[BawanaRik]

People should have consequences for filing false charges, some do. It's that whole "don't bear false witness" thing that our western culture supposedly uses as a cornerstone for civilization. But reality of course laughs at our notions of fairness and justice.

I agree. Thank you.

 

[kohntarkosz]

It's kind of you vs the world on that one.

Numerous pm's to a number of us, a large number of posts on that them all attest to it.

I call you out for posting and pm'ing a good bit of misogyny.

I'm still not getting these PMs.

 

[Unrepresented]

I respectfully disagree.

I feel that a man spending 30 years in jail for a crime that never happened is actually an example of misandrony. An unfortunate but hardly unexpected outcome of the philogynistic society we live in.

If I can save one man from the fate that befall Mr Dupree I will have made the world a better fairer place.

What more can I aspire to?

Being able to see past gender.

 

[kohntarkosz]

Being able to see past gender.

Bbbut think of Cornelius Dupree!

There is no way that a black man, in 1979 might have, y'know, fallen foul of racist judge or jury or anything... it was a clear case of some wily woman getting dudes sent to prison for the lulz.

 

[BawanaRik]

Actually, the truth about that situation spread like wildfire and many people now see that the girl is a liar.

Here is what comes up when one googles "girl lied tip remark"
https://www.google.com/search?q=Gir...SOsILICw&ved=0CCkQBSgA#q=Girl+lied+tip+remark

So you see how the term Reasonable doubt could apply to any and all statements made by this individual.

And since she wasn't jailed she be anygirl.

Would you want to face this in court with thirty years of your life on the line? Would you want you father, brother or even some nameless individual you never meet facing this?

I don't. Tell me you agree. Please.

 

[MatticusMania]

I respectfully disagree.

I feel that a man spending 30 years in jail for a crime that never happened is actually an example of misandrony. An unfortunate but hardly unexpected outcome of the philogynistic society we live in.

If I can save one man from the fate that befall Mr Dupree I will have made the world a better fairer place.

What more can I aspire to?

Please do tell us, then, what should be done?

How do we protect innocent people (not just men) from being falsely accused of rape while still providing an arena in which those who were actually raped will be willing to come forward and report these crimes?

The idea that hundreds, if not more, of rapists should go free because a few innocent people have been falsely accused doesnt sit well with me, or anyone with a degree of rationality.

You seem to know something that the rest of us do not, because our love of women makes us hate them, unlike yourself, who just hate them.

 

[bassinplace]

If I can save one man from the fate that befall Mr Dupree I will have made the world a better fairer place.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't.

What more can I aspire to?

Not being a flagrant and willing mouthpiece for ignorance would be a good start.

 

[MatticusMania]

So you see how the term Reasonable doubt could apply to any and all statements made by this individual.

And since she wasn't jailed she be anygirl.

Would you want to face this in court with thirty years of your life on the line? Would you want you father, brother or even some nameless individual you never meet facing this?

I don't. Tell me you agree. Please.

Straw men make wonderful arguments.
Its funny, Ive never been accused of raping someone. Nor has my father, or brother. I can attest to their character, and we havent yet gotten involved with any vindictive women falsely accusing us of rape.
I have no doubt that if any of us were falsely accused, there would not be enough evidence for a conviction.

Tell me, how many people are in prison who have been falsely convicted of rape. If you dont have a number here your whole argument is without any merit.

 

[BawanaRik]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't.



Not being a flagrant and willing mouthpiece for ignorance would be a good start.

Thanks for you comments. Could you please elucidate and give an or few of my "ignorance"?

A working definition as to the word would be most appreciated.

Thanks for you time and effort.

And as far as being a judge as to what I can and can't do, don't. I'm quite capable of setting and meeting my own goals. I do thank you for your concern

 

[kohntarkosz]

And since she wasn't jailed she be anygirl.

Stellar logic.

 

[MatticusMania]

Stellar logic.

I presume youre only seeing BawanaRik's posts second hand, as I recall you had him on your ignore list.

You may have the right idea here. I may have to start using mine.

You can lead a dolt to questions, but you can't make him think.

 

[bassinplace]

I presume youre only seeing BawanaRik's posts second hand, as I recall you had him on your ignore list.

You may have the right idea here. I may have to start using mine.

You can lead a dolt to questions, but you can't make him think.

Sound wisdom. BR has the dubious distinction of being the only tb'er I've ever considered using the ignore function for. Negative attention is still attention, I guess.