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[SJLee]

Really pretty mahogany - I love the tone of mahogany basses, I bet is sounds great!

Use to have a HOG L-1000. It sounded fabulous but was heavy. It was much lighter than the RD Artist I traded to get it, but as I got older and basses got lighter it sadly made its way to another home.

 

[Dynacord]

I seem to recall the white J he played for awhile with The Rolling Stones was a '66 also.

With blocks and lollipops (not a matching headstock though IIRC). That was his trademark bass that he was first using in the 80's with Miles and Scofield and then Sting. I think he still uses it on occasion.

 

[SJLee]

I seem to recall the white J he played for awhile with The Rolling Stones was a '66 also.

He has moved over to Lakland at that point.

 

[SJLee]

Here are a few more samples of Burgundy Mist.

@JIO, had you noticed on the Fender Instrument Color Chart Instrument Finish Color Chart that there are two color with Burgundy Mist in the name: Burgundy Mist Metallic and Burgundy Mist. Both colors listed as #66. Here I thought we were only talking about one color. The samples above to my eye look a bit more "smokey" like BBM.

 

[Dynacord]

He has moved over to Lakland at that point.

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Yes, though still plays the white Fender J sometimes - along with a sunburst P and a red Mustang among others.

 

[Dynacord]

Here are a few more samples of Burgundy Mist.

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@JIO, had you noticed on the Fender Instrument Color Chart Instrument Finish Color Chart that there are two color with Burgundy Mist in the name: Burgundy Mist Metallic and Burgundy Mist. Both colors listed as #66. Here I thought we were only talking about one color. The samples above to my eye look a bit more "smokey" like BBM.

Somebody was busy with a razor blade. Sort of a fantasy build - never seen a real stack with either green guard or matching headstock.

 

[SJLee]

Yes, though still plays the white Fender J sometimes - along with a sunburst P and a red Mustang among others.

Maybe his signature J with Lakland was based from his Fender 66 J?

 

[Dynacord]

Maybe his signature J with Lakland was based from his Fender 66 J?

I would guess - though I don't know that.

 

[SJLee]

Somebody was busy with a razor blade. Sort of a fantasy build - never seen a real stack with either green guard or matching headstock.

Yes, this is a refin.

 

[SJLee]

I have never seen a "real" stack knob in anything other than sunburst and Olympic white.

 

[Dynacord]

I have never seen a "real" stack knob in anything other than sunburst of Olympic white.

I had a Fiesta Red and a burst. Have seen them in the past in blonde, white and one in black. Others only in pictures. Then there's Herbie Flowers' which is claimed to be a '59 and is a metallic blue like Lake Placid over Fiesta (lots of debate around that bass - it actually does have a white guard - with a switch for a built in effect).

 

[Dynacord]

As mentioned - the Herbie Flowers stack:

The guard looks more like white vinyl/plastic than nitrate/celluloid.

 

[SJLee]

Interesting pickguard, if original. I have seen this bass before and had previously wondered about it's custom colors and 59 year, however one off's in custom colors were being done prior to the 60's as stated by George Fullerton and there are examples as early as 1955 in Fiesta Red so it's quite possible the colors were painted in '59 even though at that time they would not have been considered factory colors as part of a product line.

 

[Dynacord]

Interesting pickguard, if original. I have seen this bass before and had previously wondered about it's custom colors and 59 year, however one off's in custom colors were being done prior to the 60's as stated by George Fullerton and there are examples as early as 1955 in Fiesta Red so it's quite possible the colors were painting in '59 even though at that time they would not have been considered factory colors as part of a product line.

It's all plausible (though I really think the guard is a replacement - also no indentation or discoloration from the tugbar and even the mid 60's vinyl guards get the discoloration there). Fender did make a small number of sales sample stack knob Jazz Basses in '59 - Joe Osborn's was one and a friend owns another - so that part could be true.

 

[Dynacord]

i.e. here's a repaired '65-'66 vinyl guard of mine - and even it is more yellowed than the stark white on the Flowers bass:

It's more pronounced on the celluloid guards.

 

[SJLee]

So maybe you can clear something up. I thought that mint (green) guards were called that due to that changing of color of the white guards, at least until they started intentionally making mint guards? Is that not correct? From your sample it appears the white guards should have turned more yellow than green.

 

[JIO]

Here are a few more samples of Burgundy Mist.

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@JIO, had you noticed on the Fender Instrument Color Chart Instrument Finish Color Chart that there are two color with Burgundy Mist in the name: Burgundy Mist Metallic and Burgundy Mist. Both colors listed as #66. Here I thought we were only talking about one color. The samples above to my eye look a bit more "smokey" like BBM.

I imagine BM & BMM are the same, just a different way of addressing the colour. Same with Firemist Gold/Firemist Gold Metallic. In your pics you can see the metallic grains.

Somebody was busy with a razor blade. Sort of a fantasy build - never seen a real stack with either green guard or matching headstock.

I know people do that, but I think that's an example of the cold/hot technique to artificially create chequing. To imitate the delicate flow and variety of the lines, making them look natural would be difficult beyond most finishers capacity. It would need to be performed with the skill, eye and deftness of an artist. I'll be impressed to be fooled by chequing done with a razor that looks that natural up-close. If I were to do that - it would take many hrs of much concentration and study of the way chequing flows - not to mention overall composition and balance of the lines. I've studied the way glasswork shatters and have always loved the aging effects like chequing and discoloration. Most 'relic'ing' is fairly pedesrian up close. The high end would be like a skilled counterfeiter - magnifying glass inspection quality.

 

[JIO]

So maybe you can clear something up. I thought that mint (green) guards were called that due to that changing of color of the white guards, at least until they started intentionally making mint guards? Is that not correct? From your sample it appears the white guards should have turned more yellow than green.

I think that is correct - the white plastic they used at that point ages to a greenish tint.

 

[Dynacord]

I imagine BM & BMM are the same, just a different way of addressing the colour. Same with Firemist Gold/Firemist Gold Metallic. In your pics you can see the metallic grains.




I know people do that, but I think that's an example of the cold/hot technique to artificially create chequing. To imitate the delicate flow and variety of the lines, making them look natural would be difficult beyond most finishers capacity. It would need to be performed with the skill, eye and deftness of an artist. I'll be impressed to be fooled by chequing done with a razor that looks that natural up-close. If I were to do that - it would take many hrs of much concentration and study of the way chequing flows - not to mention overall composition and balance of the lines. I've studied the way glasswork shatters and have always loved the aging effects like chequing and discoloration. Most 'relic'ing' is fairly pedesrian up close. The high end would be like a skilled counterfeiter - magnifying glass inspection quality.

This looks much more like razor blade to me (which absolutely does take a huge amount of concentration to do). Freon, etc tends to give more of a crackle effect - somewhat less so if done from more of a distance.

 

[Dynacord]

PS on razor checking, that BMM (or "BM" ) looks a lot like the work out of Lay's. For some mind blowing examples from Europe, check out: Lately & notably - EN

Also, rather than freon/canned air, some restorers do the thing of keeping the entire neck/body in the freezer and that can look pretty convincing.