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Shuttle 9.0?

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#561
coolrunner989 said:
For me it's not about getting more watts at lower ohms but about being able to use more 4 ohm cabs to get the sound up by my head and more volume from the increased speaker area.
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And this is where the ShuttleMax 12.0 would be a better choice because it offers the flexibility of running more speaker cabinet combinations if that's important to you. It does comes at increased cost though. Otherwise, if multiple cabinets resulting in less than a 4 ohm total load is not necessary, any of the other Shuttles remain a viable, lower cost option.
 
#562
Exactly.


I think it is worth saying again.

The Genz Benz Shuttle Max 12.0 is 2 ohms stable.

Put one 4 ohm cab on one side and one 4 ohm cab on the other and prepare to have your rocks knocked off. :bassist:

Of coarse one could run two of the Shuttle 9.0's into two 4 ohm cabs but I think the extra weight would just be a back breaker. :D
 
#563
agedhorse said:
And this is where the ShuttleMax 12.0 would be a better choice because it offers the flexibility of running more speaker cabinet combinations if that's important to you. It does comes at increased cost though. Otherwise, if multiple cabinets resulting in less than a 4 ohm total load is not necessary, any of the other Shuttles remain a viable, lower cost option.
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I know it's the better choice, I have one ;) I may be downsizing to one 4 ohm cab soon, but until then I'll happily keep my Max 12.0

But I'm still dreaming about a Max 18.0....
 
#564
Red Planet said:
Of coarse one could run two of the Shuttle 9.0's into two 4 ohm cabs but I think the extra weight would just be a back breaker. :D
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It should be noted that all of the Shuttle models can be linked to provide double the output (into more cabinets) with a single 1/4" cable. The master section controls both power amps and the master volume on the slave amp conrols it's level relative to the master amp. Set both masters to the same level and they are balanced the same.

A pair of 9.0's would give 1800 watts into a 2 ohm load (2 x 4 ohms) with a net weight of <8 lbs.

A pair of ShuttleMax 12.0's would give 2400 watts into 4 x 4 ohm loads with a net weight of about 15 lbs.

Just some food for thought for those who could benefit from a scalable solution with instant backup.
 
#565
I still think you guys should make 1u shuttlemax preamp :) I know, I know, your current shuttles can do it with the XLR, but I likes me some 1u. :)

Edit: I knew I had something productive to say. I'm going to get a chance to try out a Shuttle 9.0 at the bass place soon I hope, probably Saturday, and will give some words on it. Might haul my 15/6 down there to try out if Dennis'll let me.
 
#566
KJung said:
While I'm lucky enough to have the time, money, and I guess knowledge to match cabs of appropriate impedance to my 4ohm minimum heads, the 2ohm thing is not about volume at all, but rather it allows you to mix and match a variety of cabs safely. I would never 'plan' to run an amp at that very low impedance, but for some, it is nice to know that if you have an 8ohm 210 and a 4ohm 410, you can, if needed on occasion, use them both.

So, it isn't really about getting louder (many amps don't even meaningfully increase power going from 4 to 2) but rather flexibility.
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Yeah...it really is'nt about getting louder in most cases these days, though occassionally I'd prefer to have two of my 4 ohm cabs with me rather than drive my amp as hard or I just wan to use 2 cabs instead of one.... esp at larger venues, I prefer to have a cab on both sides of the stage to allow the band to hear me better at lower overall stage volumes. Plus, an amp with 2 ohm capability, provides more flexibility if you have a mix of cabs you want to use which have different tonal flavors and may have different ohm loads. I have just recently gone from using aPreamp/ Stereo power amp that could run at 2 ohms per channel, making it possible to use up to 4 - 4ohm cabs at once to my current GBE1200. Yeah...:eek:, I could sell my all four ohm cabs for 8s, but I'm attached to my current gear and I'd lose a lot of $, etc... but I prefer to keep the cabs I have, because I like them, keep my flexibility and current tonal possibilities, and tote the heavier GBE1200 amp. I was'nt whining...just curious why it was so hard to make a small 2 ohm capable amp, thats all. Tone is more important to me than weight and when I find the amp and cabs thats giving me the tone I want-if I can still carry it, I will...never have been the whiner type...(well, in my old touring days, I have to admit that in 1970 I sold off all my Fender Amps-A couple Dual Showmans, a couple Bassmans, and even a twin pushing a home-made 212 cause I got tired :bawl: of lugging it all over and setting it up-and so I got 2 Acoustic 360s...but they were not only easier to set up, but sounded better IMO...and in those days ,we also needed louder-and they were!!:D)...Anyway we're lucky we do have so many choices these days compared to back then... Peace...DAcat :cool:
 
#568
rpsands said:
I'm going to get a chance to try out a Shuttle 9.0 at the bass place soon I hope, probably Saturday, and will give some words on it. Might haul my 15/6 down there to try out if Dennis'll let me.
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Yeah, I'd be interested to hear you compare/contrast against your CarvinDCM1540's 1500watts bridged @ 8 ohms against the 9.0's 500 watts into that 15/6.
 
#569
svtb15 said:
Something i noticed when evaluating my new Shuttle 9.0... GB has increased the size of the Knobs face DOT.. Thank you GB.. it is much easier to see the knob position now..
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we actually made the knob change a bit ago....on the 6.0. It should be that way on your MAX too. :confused:
 
#571
SteveC said:
Can you order new knobs for old heads - like my 3.0? The knob/dot thing is one of the few negatives about the amp.
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hmmm...well, uh.....yes.....I guess. Sincerely though, you wouldn't want to pay the price compared to getting some enamel model paint and making a bigger black dot.
 
#574
yeah if you look those knobs up on the net they are $$.. machined and knurled aluminum.. = $$

I painted a nail polish line on my GBE 1200 knobs.. just used nail polish and a toothpick..
Wont need to do that on my 9/0.. it looks great...
I have not gotten to my 12 yet.. it is traveling today without me from a gig.. should see it tonight


hasbeen said:
hmmm...well, uh.....yes.....I guess. Sincerely though, you wouldn't want to pay the price compared to getting some enamel model paint and making a bigger black dot.
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#575
Red Planet said:
Exactly.


I think it is worth saying again.

The Genz Benz Shuttle Max 12.0 is 2 ohms stable.

:D
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Sorry Red Planet-Maybe I'm misunderstanding :confused: something...though I haven't played thru or owned a 12.0 yet-but my reading of the literature gave the impression that this 12.0 shuttle was really like having two side by side 600 watt amps with a tube and FET preamp...and the amps were 4 OHMS stable, which is why you can run 2 four ohm cabs(total per 12.0 Shuttle)...if it were 2 ohm stable then you could power 2 four ohm cabs per 600 watt amp or 4 per 12.0 Shuttle...right? :) Peace...DAcat :cool:
 
#576
DAcat said:
Sorry Red Planet-Maybe I'm misunderstanding :confused: something...though I haven't played thru or owned a 12.0 yet-but my reading of the literature gave the impression that this 12.0 shuttle was really like having two side by side 600 watt amps with a tube and FET preamp...and the amps were 4 OHMS stable, which is why you can run 2 four ohm cabs(total per 12.0 Shuttle)...if it were 2 ohm stable then you could power 2 four ohm cabs per 600 watt amp or 4 per 12.0 Shuttle...right? :) Peace...DAcat :cool:
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What he is saying is that the 12 is 'functionally' the same as having a mono block head that is 2ohm stable, because they each can handle the exact same speaker/impedance combinations (e.g., two 4ohm cabs).
 
#577
Red Planet said:
Exactly.


I think it is worth saying again.

The Genz Benz Shuttle Max 12.0 is 2 ohms stable.

:D
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I just wanted to make sure that I and everyone else under stood "Exactly what was worth saying again"...the GB shuttle Max however is not 2 ohms stable...

KJung said:
What he is saying is that the 12 is 'functionally' the same as having a mono block head that is 2ohm stable, because they each can handle the exact same speaker/impedance combinations (e.g., two 4ohm cabs).
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What he said...is what I said... with fewer words ;)...I hope we all understand each other now:D...Peace...DAcat
 
#578
My reason for the clarifications was that I'd want to try a Shuttlemax 9.0 or 12.0 out if they were capable of being stable at 2 0hms...I have three 4 ohm cabs and just one 12.0 Shuttlemax amp, if it were stable at 2 ohms, could handle all three cabs at once... other wise I need at least two amps for all three cabs ( if I desire to run all three cabs at once!!). My GBE1200 at least allows me to use two cabs at once if I choose to do so since it is stable at 2 ohms...I'm trying to save a little $ in having the fewest amps possible :D...Peace...DAcat :cool:
 
#579
DAcat said:
My reason for the clarifications was that I'd want to try a Shuttlemax 9.0 or 12.0 out if they were capable of being stable at 2 0hms...I have three 4 ohm cabs and just one 12.0 Shuttlemax amp, if it were stable at 2 ohms, could handle all three cabs at once... other wise I need at least two amps for all three cabs ( if I desire to run all three cabs at once!!). My GBE1200 at least allows me to use two cabs at once if I choose to do so since it is stable at 2 ohms...I'm trying to save a little $ in having the fewest amps possible :D...Peace...DAcat :cool:
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Just to clarify again, any cab combination that the GBE1200 can handle, the Max 12 can equally handle.

If, due to poor purchase planning, you end up with three 4ohm cabs that you want to run all at the same time, there are dual mono heads that can run at 2ohms per side.... the Hartke LH1000, the TecAmp Bonafide, and the Eden WT800c all would work for your rather unusual requirement.
 
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